How Do You Determine the Ranges of u and v in Multivariable Transformations?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on determining the ranges of variables u and v resulting from specific transformations of x and y in multivariable calculus. The transformations are examined under different domains, specifically for the cases of 01, y>1.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to find the ranges of u and v after the transformations defined by u=x/y, v=y and u=x/(x+y), v=x+y.
  • Another participant inquires about a step-by-step method to determine the corresponding region in the uv-plane after the transformations.
  • A participant discusses the implications of the boundaries for the first transformation, questioning whether u can be negative or zero, and considers the behavior of u as y approaches 0.
  • For the second transformation, the same participant examines boundary conditions and suggests graphing curves to visualize the relationships between u and v.
  • Participants express uncertainty about systematic methods for determining ranges and boundaries in these transformations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a systematic method for determining the ranges of u and v, and multiple viewpoints regarding the boundaries and behavior of the transformations are presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the specific domains provided and the lack of resolution on the behavior of u under certain conditions, such as when y approaches 0.

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I was reading a statistics book, and part of the problem reduces to the calculus problem of doing the following:

1) Let u=x/y, v=y, with domain 0<x<y<1[/color], how to find the ranges of u and v after the transformation?


2) Let u=x/(x+y), v=x+y with domain x>1, y>1[/color], what values can u and v take on?


Is there a systematic way to do these?

Thank you for any help!
 
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How can I determine step-by-step the corresponding region in the uv-plane after the transformation?
 
Please help...
 
kingwinner said:
I was reading a statistics book, and part of the problem reduces to the calculus problem of doing the following:

1) Let u=x/y, v=y, with domain 0<x<y<1[/color], how to find the ranges of u and v after the transformation?
The range of v should be obvious. Is it possible for u to be negative? Is it possible for u to be 0? So what is a lower bound for u? Since y can be as close to 0 as you please is there an upper bound on u?

Another, more general, way to do this is to look at the boundary lines. If x= 1, then u= 1/y and v= y so u= 1/v. Graph u= 1/v on the uv-plane. If y= 1, then u= x and v= 1. Graph v= 1 on the uv-plane. If x= 0, u= 0, v= y. Graph u= 0 on the uv-plane. If y= 0, u is infinite so that does not give a bound. What region is inside those boundaries?

2) Let u=x/(x+y), v=x+y with domain x>1, y>1[/color], what values can u and v take on?
Look at the boundary lines x= 1 and y= 1. On x= 1, you have u= 1/(y+1) and v= y+1. That is, u= 1/v. On y= 1, you have u= x/(x+1) and v= x+1. x= v-1 so u= (v-1)/v= 1- 1/v. Graph those curves on the u-v plane.

Is there a systematic way to do these?

Thank you for any help!
Yes,
 

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