How Do You Differentiate the Function y = (3x^2-4)^(1/2) + (x^2+4)^(1/2)?

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The discussion revolves around differentiating the function y = (3x² - 4)^(1/2) + (x² + 4)^(1/2) with respect to x. Participants are exploring the differentiation process and addressing potential errors in the approach.

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation steps, including the use of substitution for parts of the function. There are questions about the correctness of the differentiation process and notation used, particularly regarding the representation of the derivative.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the differentiation attempts, noting a potential typo and clarifying the difference between the derivative symbol and the differentiation operator. There is an ongoing examination of the steps taken without reaching a final consensus.

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One participant points out that the original poster's notation may lead to confusion, suggesting a clearer expression of the differentiation process. Additionally, there is a side note regarding forum etiquette, emphasizing the importance of making an effort before seeking help.

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Homework Statement



differentiate y = (3x2-4)1/2+(x2+4)1/2
with respect to x

Homework Equations



y = (3x2-4)1/2+(x2+4)1/2

The Attempt at a Solution



dy/dx = (3x2-4)1/2dy/dx+(x2+4)1/2dy/dx

Is it correct...?

for the first part
let u = (3x2-4)1/2
du/dx = 6x
y = u1/2
dy/du = 1/2u-1/2
dy/dx = du/dx dy/du
dy/dx = 6x . 1/2u-1/2
= 3x/u1/2for the second part
and v = (x2+4)1/2
dv/dx = 2x
y = v1/2
dy/dv = 1/2v-1/2
dy/dx = dv/dx dy/dv
dy/dx = 2x . 1/2v-1/2
= x/v1/2

Finally,
dy/dx = 3x/u1/2 + x/v1/2

= x/(3x2-4)1/2 + x/(x2+4)1/2
 
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maobadi said:

Homework Statement



differentiate y = (3x2-4)1/2+(x2+4)1/2
with respect to x

Homework Equations



y = (3x2-4)1/2+(x2+4)1/2

The Attempt at a Solution



dy/dx = (3x2-4)1/2dy/dx+(x2+4)1/2dy/dx

Is it correct...?

for the first part
let u = (3x2-4)1/2
du/dx = 6x
y = u1/2
dy/du = 1/2u-1/2
dy/dx = du/dx dy/du
dy/dx = 6x . 1/2u-1/2
= 3x/u1/2


for the second part
and v = (x2+4)1/2
dv/dx = 2x
y = v1/2
dy/dv = 1/2v-1/2
dy/dx = dv/dx dy/dv
dy/dx = 2x . 1/2v-1/2
= x/v1/2

Finally,
dy/dx = 3x/u1/2 + x/v1/2
Looks good up to here. However, there's a somewhat minor slip between the line above and the line below:
maobadi said:
= x/(3x2-4)1/2 + x/(x2+4)1/2
 
Your solution looks good (apart from the typo):

[tex]y'(x)=\dfrac{3x}{\sqrt{3x^2-4}}+\dfrac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+4}}[/tex]
 
maobadi said:

Homework Statement



differentiate y = (3x2-4)1/2+(x2+4)1/2
with respect to x

Homework Equations



y = (3x2-4)1/2+(x2+4)1/2

The Attempt at a Solution



dy/dx = (3x2-4)1/2dy/dx+(x2+4)1/2dy/dx

Is it correct...?

The other folks on this thread didn't seem to notice the line above, which is not correct.

Perhaps what you meant to say was
dy/dx = d/dx[(3x2-4)1/2]+d/dx[(x2+4)1/2]

The difference is between the function dy/dx that you show on the right side of the equation, and the operator d/dx that I show on the right side. The symbol dy/dx represents the derivative itself, while the symbol d/dx represents the intent to take the derivative at some later time.
 
can someone help me solve:
Find the dx/dy for y=3x[2]
 
Instead of "highjacking" a thread that's almost two years old, please start a new thread. Since this is your first post, you are probably not aware of the rules of this forum (see https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=414380), which say that you must make some effort at solving your problem before we can give any help.
 

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