How Do You Find the Explicit Equation for the Orthogonal Trajectory?

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The original poster is attempting to find the explicit equation for the orthogonal trajectory to a family of circles that are tangent to the x-axis. The problem involves differential equations and the characteristics of orthogonal trajectories.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the form of the derivative for the orthogonal trajectory and explore whether it can be solved as a Bernoulli differential equation. There are questions about the conditions needed for a unique family of circles and the classification of the equation as homogeneous.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the differential equation and its classification, while others are questioning the correctness of previous steps and interpretations. There is an ongoing exploration of the problem without a clear consensus on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of specific assumptions regarding the family of circles, such as their centers being on the y-axis, and the need for additional conditions to define a one-parameter family. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the classification of the differential equation as Bernoulli or linear.

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I have to find the orthogonal trajectory to the family of circles tangents to the x-axis.

I eventually found that the derivative of the orthogonal trajectory would be:
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}= \frac{-x^2 + y^2}{2xy}[/tex]

But how do i find the equation for "y" explicitly? (ps. This is not an assignment problem. I'm simply solving problems to get ready for my test)
ps#2: I recently discovered that this may be a solvable differential equation. Perhaps Bernoulli?
 
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[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} + \frac{x^{2}+y^{2}}{2xy} = 0[/tex]So [tex]\frac{dy}{dx} + \frac{x^{2}}{2xy} + \frac{y^{2}}{2xy} = 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} + \frac{x}{2y} = -\frac{y}{2x}[/tex] which is the form: [tex]\frac{dy}{dx} + P(x)y = Q(x)y[/tex] (i.e. the Bernouli equation is linear)
 
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piano.lisa said:
I have to find the orthogonal trajectory to the family of circles tangents to the x-axis.
Do you mean with center on the y-axis also? You need another condition to have a one parameter family.

I eventually found that the derivative of the orthogonal trajectory would be:
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}= \frac{-x^2 + y^2}{2xy}[/tex]
Yes, that is correct for the orthogonal trajectories to the family of circles with center on the y-axis tangent to the x-axis.

But how do i find the equation for "y" explicitly?


(ps. This is not an assignment problem. I'm simply solving problems to get ready for my test)
ps#2: I recently discovered that this may be a solvable differential equation. Perhaps Bernoulli?

This is a "homogeneous" equation (note that "homogeneous" for first order equations is not the same as "homogeneous" for linear equations!): If you divide both numerator and denominator by x2 you get
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}= \frac{\frac{y^2}{x^2}- 1}{2\frac{y}{x}}[/itex]<br /> Now let v= y/x so that y= xv and y'= xv'+ v. Your equation becomes<br /> [tex]x\frac{dv}{dx}+ v= \frac{v^2-1}{v^2}= 1- \frac{1}{v^2}[/tex] That's a separable equation.<br /> <br /> (Courtigrad's suggestion that this is linear is completely wrong: 1/y is not linear.)[/tex]
 
was I correct on what I did before that then? It is Bernoulli right? And its courtrigrad, not courtigrad.
 
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made a mistake. should be:

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} - \frac{x^{2}-y^{2}}{2xy} = 0[/tex]
 

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