Finding the Orthogonal Complement

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The problem involves finding the orthogonal complement of a 2-dimensional subspace V of R^3, which is spanned by the vectors V1 = (1,1,1) and V2 = (-2,0,1). Participants discuss the relevant equations derived from the dot product and the implications of the resulting solution space.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the process of orthogonalizing the basis for V and applying the dot product to derive equations. There is a question regarding whether a single vector can represent the orthogonal complement, and some participants suggest alternative methods for finding the orthogonal complement.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the solution space and clarifying that the orthogonal complement in R3 is indeed one-dimensional. There is recognition of the validity of the derived vector, but also a suggestion that orthogonalization may not be necessary.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the solution space is represented by a single vector, which spans a one-dimensional subspace. There is an emphasis on the need for clarity regarding the assumptions made during the orthogonalization process.

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Homework Statement



Let V be the 2-dim subspace of R^3 spanned by V1 = (1,1,1) and V2 = (-2,0,1). Find the orthogonal compliment Vperpendicular.
2. Relevant equation

X + Y + Z = 0
-5X + Y + 4Z = 0


The Attempt at a Solution


Firstly, I orthogonalize the basis for V and get the vectors (1,1,1) and (-5,1,4).

Then I apply the dot product and end up with the above equations. I found that the solution space for this system of equations is a single vector (x,y,z) = (.5z, -1.5z,z) . Usually I will get 2 vectors and then orthogonalize them as the basis for the orthogonal compliment. Can this single vector (.5,-1.5,1) be the orhogonal compliment? Or did I make a mistake somewhere? Please help.
 
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Tom2 said:

Homework Statement



Let V be the 2-dim subspace of R^3 spanned by V1 = (1,1,1) and V2 = (-2,0,1). Find the orthogonal compliment Vperpendicular.
2. Relevant equation

X + Y + Z = 0
-5X + Y + 4Z = 0


The Attempt at a Solution


Firstly, I orthogonalize the basis for V and get the vectors (1,1,1) and (-5,1,4).

Then I apply the dot product and end up with the above equations. I found that the solution space for this system of equations is a single vector (x,y,z) = (.5z, -1.5z,z) . Usually I will get 2 vectors and then orthogonalize them as the basis for the orthogonal compliment. Can this single vector (.5,-1.5,1) be the orhogonal compliment? Or did I make a mistake somewhere? Please help.
(x,y,z) = (.5z, -1.5z,z) doesn't represent a single vector, but the one dimensional subspace spanned by the vector (.5,-1.5,1).
 
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Tom2 said:
Firstly, I orthogonalize the basis for V and get the vectors (1,1,1) and (-5,1,4).
You don't need that. You just need to solve the system of equations
$$
x+y+z=0 \\
-2x+z=0
$$
Obviously, there will be at least one free variable, make it ##z## and solve the other variables in terms of ##z##.
 
Tom2 said:

Homework Statement



Let V be the 2-dim subspace of R^3 spanned by V1 = (1,1,1) and V2 = (-2,0,1). Find the orthogonal compliment Vperpendicular.
2. Relevant equation

X + Y + Z = 0
-5X + Y + 4Z = 0


The Attempt at a Solution


Firstly, I orthogonalize the basis for V and get the vectors (1,1,1) and (-5,1,4).

Then I apply the dot product and end up with the above equations. I found that the solution space for this system of equations is a single vector (x,y,z) = (.5z, -1.5z,z) . Usually I will get 2 vectors and then orthogonalize them as the basis for the orthogonal compliment. Can this single vector (.5,-1.5,1) be the orhogonal compliment? Or did I make a mistake somewhere? Please help.
In R3, the orthogonal complement of a two-dimensional subspace is one-dimensional, that is spanned by a single vector. You have found that vector, and the subspace consists of all vectors of form (x,y,z) = (.5z, -1.5z,z) , as you wrote. So your solution is correct, but it was not needed to orthogonalize the the basis. You can find a vector perpendicular to other two independent ones by cross-product them.
 

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