How do you find the parameters for line integrals in different shapes?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the methods for finding parameters for line integrals in various shapes, particularly focusing on curves such as circles and ellipses. Participants explore different parametrization techniques and the intuition behind selecting parameters for specific curves.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to find parameters for x, y, z in line integrals, particularly for the right half of a circle.
  • Another participant suggests that using x=4cos(t) and y=4sin(t) for the right half of the circle is appropriate, specifying the range for t as -π/2 to π/2.
  • A different participant emphasizes the need for intuition in parametrizing curves, mentioning that trigonometric relationships are often useful for closed curves, while polynomial relations may apply for open curves.
  • One participant notes that if y can be expressed as a function of x, then x can be used as the parameter, suggesting a more general approach to parametrization.
  • It is highlighted that there are infinitely many ways to parametrize any curve, and that geometric properties often guide the choice of parameters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are multiple methods to parametrize curves, but there is no consensus on a single best approach. The discussion reflects a variety of perspectives on how to develop intuition for parametrization.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on geometric properties of curves and the lack of a definitive method for all cases. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with parametrization techniques among participants.

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How do you find the parameters for x,y,z and so forth. The examples in the book always use x=cos t and y=sint, but I know that there are more options. I'm just lost as to how to look at it.

For example

the line integral xy^4 ds, C is the right half of the circle x^2+y^2=16

I know this that eq. is a circle with origin as center and radius 4. So when it ways right half circle does that mean the parts of the circle in quadrants I and IV? And what parameters would you use and how would you know? What do you ask yourselves when you are working a problem like this?

Thanks
 
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There isn't really any general method to parametrize any curve. Whenever you are working with a circle (or section of one) using x=cos(t), y=sin(t) for some values of t is the way to go.

In your example, you would parametrize the right half of that circle as:
x=4cos(t)
y=4sin(t)
where -pi/2<t<pi/2
 
To parametrize a curve, you just need to develop intuition. Mostly you'll be looking for trigonometric relationships (for closed curves), and polynomial relations. for open curves

x=acost
y=bsint

Is a general elliptical curve with axes of a and b. This is probably the most often used one
 
If it is possible to write y as a function of x: y= f(x) then you can use x itself as "parameter". More formally, x= t, y= f(t).

There are, if fact, an infinite number of different ways to parametrize any curve.

The examples in the book always use x=cos t and y=sint, but I know that there are more options.
That's presumably because the examples in the book are always about circles of radius 1! x2+ y2= cos2 t+ sin2 t= 1.

The example Office Shredder gave, x= acos t, y= b sin t, is an ellipse because
[tex]\frac{x^2}{a^2}+ \frac{y^2}{b^2}= \frac{a^2 cos^2 t}{a^2}+ \frac{b^2 sin^2 t}{b^2}= cos^2 t+ sin^2 t= 1[/itex]<br /> <br /> There is no single way to determine parametric equations (as I said before, there are an infinite number of possibilities). Typically, one uses some kind of geometric property of the curve.[/tex]
 

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