How Do You Integrate (u^4 + 1) / (u^5 + 3u)?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function (u^4 + 1) / (u^5 + 3u). Participants express uncertainty about how to simplify the integral and explore various methods for solving it.

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  • Participants discuss the potential use of partial fractions and question the setup of the integral. There are attempts to substitute trigonometric functions and considerations of polynomial forms for partial fractions.

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Some participants have provided hints regarding the use of partial fractions, suggesting specific forms to consider. There is an ongoing exploration of how to determine coefficients in the proposed fractions, and multiple interpretations of the approach are being discussed.

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Participants are grappling with the complexity of the integral and the constraints of the methods they are considering, including the degree of polynomials in the numerator and denominator.

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Homework Statement


Integral (u^4 +1) du/(u^5+3u)

Homework Equations


I don't know how to solve this integral. I don't know how to simplify it or what to do.

The Attempt at a Solution


It is not a form of dt/t. I tried to substitute trig functions and got nowhere. I thought it might be able to be solved by partial fractions but no.
 
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scottshannon said:

Homework Statement


Integral (u^4 +1) du/(u^5+3u)

Homework Equations


I don't know how to solve this integral. I don't know how to simplify it or what to do.

The Attempt at a Solution


It is not a form of dt/t. I tried to substitute trig functions and got nowhere. I thought it might be able to be solved by partial fractions but no.
Partial fractions is in fact a good idea, although a little tricky. Here's a hint. Try$$
\frac{u^4+1}{u^5+3u}=\frac{u^4+1}{u(u^4+3)}=\frac A u +\frac {Bu^3}{u^4+3}$$
 
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Thank you. I will see how that works, although I probably would have tried Bu^4+ Cu^3 +Du^2 +Eu +F. How do you know C, D, E and F = 0? I am asking myself this question.
 
scottshannon said:
Thank you. I will see how that works, although I probably would have tried Bu^4+ Cu^3 +Du^2 +Eu +F. How do you know C, D, E and F = 0? I am asking myself this question.

Perhaps LCKurtz is cleverer than either of us, but I would have made it easier than you by doing:

##\frac{A}{u} + \frac{X}{u^4 + 3}## where ##A## is a constant and ##X## is a polynomial in ##u##. You can then solve for ##X## without all the variables for each coefficient. Perhaps then half way through this calculation, like me, you see the shortcut that LCK saw.
 
scottshannon said:
Thank you. I will see how that works, although I probably would have tried Bu^4+ Cu^3 +Du^2 +Eu +F. How do you know C, D, E and F = 0? I am asking myself this question.

In general, a partial fraction for
f(u) = \frac{u^4+1}{u(u^4+3)}
would have the form of a sum of terms like ##P(u)/Q(u)##, where the degree of ##P## is at least one less than the degree of ##Q##. Thus
\begin{array}{rcl} \displaystyle \frac{u^4+1}{u(u^4+3)} &amp;=&amp; \displaystyle \frac{A}{u} + \frac{Bu^3 + Cu^2 + Du+E}{u^4+3}\\<br /> &amp; =&amp; \displaystyle \frac{A(u^4+3) + u(Bu^3 + Cu^2 + Du+E)}{u(u^4+3)}<br /> \end{array}
The numerator above is a polynomial of degree 4 that must be equal to ##u^4+1## for all u, so you can determine unique values of ##A,B,C,D,E## from that.
 
LCKurtz said:
Partial fractions is in fact a good idea, although a little tricky. Here's a hint. Try$$
\frac{u^4+1}{u^5+3u}=\frac{u^4+1}{u(u^4+3)}=\frac A u +\frac {Bu^3}{u^4+3}$$

scottshannon said:
Thank you. I will see how that works, although I probably would have tried Bu^4+ Cu^3 +Du^2 +Eu +F. How do you know C, D, E and F = 0? I am asking myself this question.

I wasn't sure it would work, but noticing that the numerator had only ##u^4## and a constant term, and that my proposed partial fractions would generate only terms like that, it seemed worth trying it. Had it not worked, one of the methods others have suggested would have been necessary.
 
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LCKurtz said:
Partial fractions is in fact a good idea, although a little tricky. Here's a hint. Try$$
\frac{u^4+1}{u^5+3u}=\frac{u^4+1}{u(u^4+3)}=\frac A u +\frac {Bu^3}{u^4+3}$$
A way to get this: (not necessarily any better than what's been said)

##\displaystyle \frac{u^4+1}{u^5+3u} ##
##\displaystyle = \frac{3u^4+3}{3u(u^4+3)} ##

##\displaystyle = \frac{2u^4 +u^4+3}{3u(u^4+3)} ##

##\displaystyle = \frac{2u^4}{3u(u^4+3)}+ \frac{u^4+3}{3u(u^4+3)} ##

##\displaystyle = \frac{2u^3}{3(u^4+3)}+ \frac{1}{3u} ##​
 
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