How Do You Perform an Inverse Laplace Transform on 1/(s^2+s+1)?

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The discussion revolves around performing an inverse Laplace transform on the function f(s) = 1/(s^2+s+1), which arises from solving the differential equation y'' + y' + y = 0 with given initial conditions. Participants explore the implications of complex solutions and the nature of the inverse transform.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss factoring the denominator and using partial fractions to simplify the expression. There are questions about the application of partial fractions and how to proceed after obtaining a specific form. Some express uncertainty about finding corresponding inverse transforms in tables.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the inverse Laplace transform, including factoring, partial fractions, and completing the square. Some participants have shared their attempts and results, while others express frustration with the complexity of the task. No consensus has been reached, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of finding specific transform tables that match their derived expressions. There is also mention of the original solution obtained through the characteristic polynomial, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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Using the laplace transform, find the solution to the differential equation:

y'' + y' + y = 0 , y(0)=0, y'(0)=1

Using the laplace transform and its properties I end up with:

f(s) = 1/(s2+s+1)

How can I find the inverse of this/ does anyone know the inverse of it?

Setting y=eax I got a characteristic equation of a2+a+1=0, which has a complex solution, so I suspec that the inverse above should be a combination of both a sine, cosine and an exponential..
 
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aaaa202 said:
Using the laplace transform, find the solution to the differential equation:

y'' + y' + y = 0 , y(0)=0, y'(0)=1

Using the laplace transform and its properties I end up with:

f(s) = 1/(s2+s+1)

How can I find the inverse of this/ does anyone know the inverse of it?

Setting y=eax I got a characteristic equation of a2+a+1=0, which has a complex solution, so I suspec that the inverse above should be a combination of both a sine, cosine and an exponential..

Factor the denominator, then use partial fractions.

RGV
 
hmm okay so factoring the denominator I get:

f(s) = 1/((s+½+i√(3)/2)(s+½-i√(3)/2))

What do I then do? Sorry, but I don't know the term partial fractions :(
 
aaaa202 said:
hmm okay so factoring the denominator I get:

f(s) = 1/((s+½+i√(3)/2)(s+½-i√(3)/2))

What do I then do? Sorry, but I don't know the term partial fractions :(

Google "partial fractions", or look in any calculus textbook.

RGV
 
You could also complete the square in the denominator and then use the tables, but you should know how to invert the transform using either method.
 
hmm using partial fractions I get:

1/(s2+s+1) = -i√(3)/(s+½+i√(3)/2) + i√(3)/(s+½-i√(3)/2)

But I don't see how that gets me anywhere.

Instead I figured you might want to write it as:

1/((s+½)2+3/4)

But can't find a specific transform looking like that.

The issue is that I have already obtained the solution using the characteristic polynomial, which got the solution:

e^(½x)(cos(√(3)/2 *x) + 1/√(3) * sin(√(3)/2 * x))

But I can't find any transform tables with e^ax(sin(bx) or with cos(bx)
 
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aaaa202 said:
hmm using partial fractions I get:

1/(s2+s+1) = -i√(3)/(s+½+i√(3)/2) + i√(3)/(s+½-i√(3)/2)

But I don't see how that gets me anywhere.

Instead I figured you might want to write it as:

1/((s+½)2+3/4)

But can't find a specific transform looking like that.

The issue is that I have already obtained the solution using the characteristic polynomial, which got the solution:

e^(½x)(cos(√(3)/2 *x) + 1/√(3) * sin(√(3)/2 * x))

But I can't find any transform tables with e^ax(sin(bx) or with cos(bx)

If you write your solution all in terms of complex exponentials, you'll probably find correspondence in tables.
 
No because I'm not considering complex solutions (there's no i in front of sine). Hmm this is getting too tedious anyways, Ima skip this assignment. After all I know what to do, and who cares I can't get it to fit completely.
 
aaaa202 said:
hmm using partial fractions I get:

1/(s2+s+1) = -i√(3)/(s+½+i√(3)/2) + i√(3)/(s+½-i√(3)/2)

But I don't see how that gets me anywhere.

Instead I figured you might want to write it as:

1/((s+½)2+3/4)

But can't find a specific transform looking like that.

The issue is that I have already obtained the solution using the characteristic polynomial, which got the solution:

e^(½x)(cos(√(3)/2 *x) + 1/√(3) * sin(√(3)/2 * x))

But I can't find any transform tables with e^ax(sin(bx) or with cos(bx)

Well, you could work these out on your own; they are not difficult (but are a bit lengthy before the final result).


Anyway, you have something of the form [itex]\frac{c_1}{s+a_1} + \frac{c_2}{s + a_2},[/itex] for constants [itex]c_1, c_2, a_1, a_2[/itex] (which happen to be complex numbers, but that does not matter). Just invert each term separately. In the end, you will be able to combine the results to get a purely real result.

RGV
 

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