How Do You Prove the Integral of x from a to b Using Riemann Sums?

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The original problem involves proving the integral \(\int_a^b x \, \mathrm{d} x = \frac{b^2-a^2}{2}\) using Riemann sums. Participants are exploring how to manipulate the given formula to arrive at this result.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the manipulation of Riemann sums and the evaluation of limits. There are attempts to simplify expressions and evaluate sums, with some questioning how to interpret the limits involved.

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There is ongoing exploration of the sums involved, with some participants providing partial evaluations and others seeking clarification on specific steps. Multiple interpretations of the sums are being considered, and guidance has been offered regarding relevant formulas.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the evaluation of specific sums and limits, indicating a need for further clarification on these mathematical concepts. There is also mention of homework constraints and the requirement to prove the integral using Riemann sums.

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Homework Statement


Original problem asked me to prove [tex]\int_a^b \! x \, \mathrm{d} x = \frac{b^2-a^2}{2}[/tex] using Riemann sums. I've already seen a simpler formula using the left side of the rectangles but I'm curious as to how you would manipulate the formula below by hand to get the answer

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[tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\sum_{i=1}^{n}[\frac{(b-a)i}{n}+a][\frac{b-a}{n}][/tex]


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pages and pages of algebra leading nowhere!
 
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You can write that thing into
[tex]I = \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} \sum_{i=1}^{n} [\frac{(b-a)i}{n}+a](\frac{b-a}{n}) <br /> = a(b-a) \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} \sum_{i=1}^{n} \frac{1}{n} + (b-a)^2 \lim_{n\rightarrow\infty} \sum_{i=1}^{n} \frac{i}{n^2}[/tex]
Now, can you evaluate the sums and then take the limits?
 
Could you please explain how you got that?

I'm not exactly sure how to evaluate the last limit/sum but does everything else evaluate to just [tex]a(b-a)+(b-a)^2[/tex]?
 
autodidude said:
Could you please explain how you got that?

I'm not exactly sure how to evaluate the last limit/sum but does everything else evaluate to just [tex]a(b-a)+(b-a)^2[/tex]?
No, it doesn't. What are [itex]\sum\frac{1}{n}[/itex] and [itex]\sum\frac{1}{n^2}[/itex]?
 
I don't know - the only way I know how to interpret the first one right now is to divide 1 into n parts but then I'm not sure what to do so it becomes an infinitely small number if n->infinity. I guess it would be the same for the second one but it gets smaller faster
 
autodidude said:
Could you please explain how you got that?

I'm not exactly sure how to evaluate the last limit/sum but does everything else evaluate to just [tex]a(b-a)+(b-a)^2[/tex]?

The first sum evaluates to 1 but the second does not. http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/pub/gausss-day-of-reckoning/ might help.
 
consider this instead...[itex]I_{n} = \sum_{i=0}^{n} [\frac{(b-a)i}{n}+a](\frac{b-a}{n}) <br /> = \frac{a(b-a)}{n} \sum_{i=0}^{n} 1 + \frac{(b-a)^2}{n^2} \sum_{i=0}^{n} i[/itex]
now we know adding 1 n times... is n, how about adding numbers from 1 to n? know any relevant formulas for that?
once you simplify the expression to only relying on n, take the limit of [itex]I_n[/itex] as n goes to infinity
you have to remember, your sums arent over n, they are over i, so n can be take out front
 
I'm quite sure the formula is [tex]\frac{n(n+1)}{2}[/tex]

I tried subbing that in and after some algebra, I've got this:

[tex]\frac{(b-a)^2}{2}+\frac{b^2-a^2}{2n}[/tex]

Am I on the right track?

Also, when you write the sigmas out without the limits, does n just become some arbitrary integer? And is there any difference between writing a sigma with infinity on top and writing sigma with an n but with lim(h->infinity)?
 
autodidude said:
I'm quite sure the formula is [tex]\frac{n(n+1)}{2}[/tex]

I tried subbing that in and after some algebra, I've got this:

[tex]\frac{(b-a)^2}{2}+\frac{b^2-a^2}{2n}[/tex]

Am I on the right track?

Yeah except you of course should have b2-a2, not (b-a)2. Then just take limit n→∞.

autodidude said:
Also, when you write the sigmas out without the limits, does n just become some arbitrary integer? And is there any difference between writing a sigma with infinity on top and writing sigma with an n but with lim(h->infinity)?

Infinite sums are always defined as that limit so there's no worries there. You want to find the n:th partial sum, and then take the limit.
 

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