How do you prove the relationship between electromagnetic and metric tensors?

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The discussion revolves around proving the relationship between electromagnetic and metric tensors, specifically focusing on the electromagnetic tensor \( F \), its dual \( G \), and their connections to electric and magnetic fields \( \mathbf{E} \) and \( \mathbf{B} \). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to tensor calculus in the context of electromagnetism.

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  • One participant requests assistance in proving several equations involving the electromagnetic tensor \( F \), its dual \( G \), and the metric tensor \( \eta \), including relationships involving \( \mathbf{E} \) and \( \mathbf{B} \).
  • Another participant suggests specifying the definitions of \( \mathbf{E} \) and \( \mathbf{B} \) in terms of field tensors and provides a method to express these vectors using an observer's 4-velocity.
  • A later reply reiterates the initial request and provides a straightforward approach assuming a Minkowski metric, detailing the components of \( F_{ab} \) and its inverse, along with a discussion on the closed exact 2-form field and the definition of the Hodge dual.
  • The same participant mentions that the required results can be found through direct calculation based on the definitions provided.

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Participants present various approaches and methods for proving the relationships, but there is no consensus on a single method or resolution of the problem. Multiple viewpoints and techniques are discussed without agreement on a definitive solution.

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Limitations include the need for clarity on definitions and conventions used for the tensors and fields, as well as the potential dependence on the choice of metric signature.

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Hi, I'm wondering how to prove the following...can you help me? :redface:
[itex] F^{\mu \rho} G_{\rho \nu} = \eta^\mu_{\phantom{\mu}\nu} \mathbf{E} \cdot \mathbf{B}[/itex][itex] F^{\mu \nu} F_{\mu \nu} = -2\left(\mathbf{E}^2-\mathbf{B}^2\right)[/itex][itex] G^{\mu \nu} F_{\mu \nu} = -4\,\mathbf{E} \cdot \mathbf{B}[/itex][itex] G^{\mu \nu} G_{\mu \nu} = F^{\mu \nu} F_{\mu \nu}[/itex]
[itex]F[/itex] is the electromagnetic tensor, [itex]G[/itex] is it's dual, [itex]\eta[/itex] is the metric tensor, [itex]\mathbf{E}[/itex] and [itex]\mathbf{B}[/itex] the electric and magnetic field respectively.Thank you for your patience! :wink:
 
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You need to specify the definition of [tex]\vec E[/tex] and [tex]\vec B[/tex] in terms of your field tensors.

Up to sign, signature, and index-placement conventions, one can write
[tex]E_b=u^aF_{ab}[/tex] and [tex]B_b=u^aG_{ab}[/tex] for an observer with 4-velocity [tex]u^a[/tex]. By contracting with [tex]u^b[/tex], you can verify that these vectors are orthogonal to, i.e. "spatial according to" the observer with 4-velocity [tex]u^b[/tex]. You will probably need the spatial metric as well... up to conventions, write [tex]g_{ab}=u_au_b+h_{ab}[/tex] with the condition that [tex]u^a h_{ab}=0_b[/tex].
 
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Emanuel84 said:
Hi, I'm wondering how to prove the following...can you help me? :redface:
[itex] F^{\mu \rho} G_{\rho \nu} = \eta^\mu_{\phantom{\mu}\nu} \mathbf{E} \cdot \mathbf{B}[/itex][itex] F^{\mu \nu} F_{\mu \nu} = -2\left(\mathbf{E}^2-\mathbf{B}^2\right)[/itex][itex] G^{\mu \nu} F_{\mu \nu} = -4\,\mathbf{E} \cdot \mathbf{B}[/itex][itex] G^{\mu \nu} G_{\mu \nu} = F^{\mu \nu} F_{\mu \nu}[/itex]
[itex]F[/itex] is the electromagnetic tensor, [itex]G[/itex] is it's dual, [itex]\eta[/itex] is the metric tensor, [itex]\mathbf{E}[/itex] and [itex]\mathbf{B}[/itex] the electric and magnetic field respectively.Thank you for your patience! :wink:

It's quite straightforward. If we assume a Minkowski metric [tex]\eta_{ab}[/tex] of signature [tex](-+++)[/tex] then the components of [tex]F_{ab}[/tex] can be expressed simply as

[tex] F_{ab}=\left(\begin{array}{cccc}<br /> 0 & -E_{x} & -E_{y} & -E_{z}\\<br /> E_{x} & 0 & B_{z} & -B_{y}\\<br /> E_{y} & -B_{z} & 0 & B_{x}\\<br /> E_{z} & B_{y} & B_{x} & 0\end{array}\right)[/tex]

with inverse

[tex] F^{ab}=\left(\begin{array}{cccc}<br /> 0 & E_{x} & E_{y} & E_{z}\\<br /> -E_{x} & 0 & B_{z} & -B_{y}\\<br /> -E_{y} & -B_{z} & 0 & B_{x}\\<br /> -E_{z} & B_{y} & -B_{x} & 0\end{array}\right)[/tex]

The thing about the field tensor is that it is actually a closed exact 2-form field. If we define a one-form field [tex]A=(-\phi,\mathbf{A})=A_adx^a[/tex], then the electromagnetic two-form is defined as [tex]F=dA[/tex] (you can show that the components of [tex]F[/tex] are exactly those given above. Now define the Hodge dual through its action on basis forms as

[tex]\star\wedge_{i=1}^{p}\omega^{a_{i}}=\frac{\sqrt{|g|}}{(m-p)!}\epsilon_{\phantom{a_{1}\ldots a_{p}}b_{1}\ldots b_{m-p}}^{a_{1}\ldots a_{p}}\wedge_{i=1}^{m-p}\omega^{b_{i}}.[/tex]

This immediately gives you an expression for the components of [tex]\star F[/tex], or what you call [tex]G[/tex]. You can then find the required results simply by direct calculation.
 
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Thank you everyone! :approve:
 

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