How Do You Solve a 2D Statics Frame Problem with Multiple Unknowns?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a 2D statics frame problem with multiple unknowns, focusing on the application of equilibrium equations and free body diagrams. Participants explore various approaches to identify and resolve forces within the frame structure.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster expresses difficulty in solving for vertical reactions at points A and F due to the presence of multiple unknowns and the colinearity of forces.
  • Some participants suggest starting with horizontal force reactions and breaking down members into free body diagrams, emphasizing the use of Newton's third law and recognizing 2-force members.
  • There is a discussion about the axial loads in vertical and diagonal members and the need to resolve these forces into components using trigonometry.
  • Confusion arises regarding the unknown forces on members CD and ABC, with participants noting the challenge of having too many unknowns to apply moment equations effectively.
  • One participant hints at summing forces in the horizontal direction to find specific unknowns, which could lead to further solutions for vertical forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the complexity of the problem and the need to utilize free body diagrams and equilibrium equations. However, there remains disagreement and confusion regarding the specific forces acting on various members and how to proceed with solving for unknowns.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding of the problem due to insufficient coverage of frames in class, which may affect their ability to apply the concepts effectively. There are also unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on assumptions regarding the forces acting on the members.

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Homework Statement


I will attach a scanned pic of the problem, but it seems to be a basic frames problem. However, everything seems to have to many unknowns on it to solve. I feel like I'm missing something simple, but I can't seem to make any more progress.


Homework Equations


ƩM=0
ƩFv=0
ƩFh=0

The Attempt at a Solution


My attempt at a solution began with resolving the uniformly distributed load into a single force, 1050 lb. acting 3.5 feet from either side. The next step was to solve for any pin reactions that I could on the structure as a whole, which is:
Reaction at A Horizontal= 918.75 lb to the left
Reaction at F Horizontal= 918.75 lb to the right
I got these numbers from doing ƩM=0 around point A and F. I saw no way to solve for the vertical reactions at A and F, since any moment equations would eliminate both as they are colinear, and a moment equation around any other point would leave two unknown vertical forces. So I tried to move on to calculating forces on the individual members of the frames, but every piece seems to have to many unknown forces to solve for anything. I feel like I'm missing something basic, but we didn't spend much time on frames in class and have already moved on. I haven't had any problems with other frames in this section, so I'm at a loss. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 

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Finding the horiz force resctions is a good way to start. You should then break apart the members as you suggested and Note the known and unknown forces (in free body diagrams,), in the x and y directions . Don't forget Newton 3. It is helpful to recognize that the vertical and diagonal members are 2-force members that take axial load only along the direction of the member. The axial loads can be broken into their components using basic trig for vectors, where necessary. The other members can support axial, shear, and bending stresses.
Hint: Is there any horiz force at C when you draw the FBD of CD? What about when you draw the FBD of ABC, what is the value of the horiz force acting at C?
 
Sorry, I'm still confused. If I break member CD out, I don't know any forces on it, so I can't solve for anything. If I break member ABC out, I have unknown horizontal and vertical forces at B and C, and an unknown vertical at A. So I can't solve for any unknowns there, either, since I have so many and can't use moment equations to eliminate enough. There are also no known forces on BE and five unknowns on FED, which has the same problem as ABC.
 
mw29715 said:
Sorry, I'm still confused. If I break member CD out, I don't know any forces on it, so I can't solve for anything.
you have unknown vertical forces at each end, Cy and Dy, right? Are there any horizontal forces Cx and Dx at those ends of this 2-force member that takes axial forces only?
If I break member ABC out, I have unknown horizontal and vertical forces at B
yes, Bx and By, which are the components of the force B in the diagonal member, trig related
and C
yes , Cy only if you understood my hints
, and an unknown vertical at A.
yes, Ay
So I can't solve for any unknowns there, either, since I have so many and can't use moment equations to eliminate enough. There are also no known forces on BE and five unknowns on FED, which has the same problem as ABC.
look at ABC and sum forces in the horizonal direction to solve for Bx. Then you know By, and can solve for Ay, and Cy...continue..
 

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