How Do You Solve for d²y/dx² in Implicit Differentiation?

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The discussion revolves around implicit differentiation, specifically focusing on finding the second derivative \( \frac{d^2y}{dx^2} \) given the equation \( \sin y = 2 \sin x \) and the relationship \( \left( \frac{dy}{dx} \right)^2 = 1 + 3 \sec^2(y) \).

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss differentiating the expression \( 1 + 3 \sec^2(y) \) and share their attempts at finding \( \frac{dy}{dx} \) from the original equation. There are questions about the correctness of differentiation steps and the resulting expressions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on differentiation techniques and suggested implicit differentiation as a method to simplify the problem. There is acknowledgment of progress made, but also recognition of potential errors in the calculations leading to the expected result.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need to differentiate both sides of the equation and explore the implications of their findings, indicating a collaborative effort to clarify the problem setup and assumptions involved.

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Homework Statement


If siny=2sinx and (dy/dx)^2=1+3sec^2(y) show that:
by differentiating 1+3sec^2(y) with respect to x, d^2y/dx^2=3sec^2(y)tan(y)


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hi kenshaw93 - have you had an attempt?
 
sorry i didn't write it, i thought it would be useless but i tried differentiating 1+3sec^2(y) and all i got was 3tany(dy/dx)... if that's write then i don't know how to continue
 
i meant right not write*-
 
i also tried finding dy/dx of siny=2sinx and i got 2cos(X)/cos(y), then i squared that to get (dy/dx)^2 and it matched the given one ie. 1+3sec^2(y) which i also found it to be equal to (cos^2y + 3)/cos^2y.
so:
dy/dx=2cos(X)/cos(y)
(dy/dx)^2=1+3sec^2(y)=(cos^2y + 3)/cos^2y.
 
kenshaw93 said:
sorry i didn't write it, i thought it would be useless but i tried differentiating 1+3sec^2(y) and all i got was 3tany(dy/dx)... if that's write then i don't know how to continue

maybe show you working for the derivative here, i don't think that derivative is quite right, i find it helps to do the following
\frac{d}{dx}(1+3sec^2(y)) = \frac{d}{dx}(1+3cos^{-2}(y))
then differentiate from there using the power & chain rules


also take try differentiating both sides of the equation implicitly & things should simplify...
\frac{d}{dx}( (\frac{dy}{dx})^2) = \frac{d}{dx}(1+3sec^2(y))
 
thank you that really helped. this is what i have managed to do with your help:
d/dx(1+3sec^2(y))= 6sec^3y.siny.dy/dx
d/dx(dy/dx)^2=6sec^3y.siny.dy/dx
i canceled the dy/dx from the RHS and LHS to get:
d2y/dx2= 6 sec^2y tany

thats a great step forward but the answer needed is 3sec^2y tany... I've probably done a silly mistake somewhere there but i can't find it. Thank you so much for your help and tips :D
 

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