How Do You Solve for \(x^4 + y^4\) Given These Equations?

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In summary, the problem is to find the value of x<sup>4</sup> + y<sup>4</sup> given the equation x<sup>2</sup> + y<sup>2</sup> = 65. This can be solved by using the Pythagorean theorem and substituting the values of x and y into the equation. There are specific methods and formulas to use, such as the Pythagorean theorem. An example of solving this problem is if x = 5 and y = 12, which results in a value of 21361. Some tips for solving this problem include checking that the given equation is a right triangle and solving for x<sup>2</sup> and
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Let $x$ and $y$ be real numbers satisfying both equations below:

\[x^4 + 8y = 4(x^3 - 1) - 16 \sqrt{3}\] \[y^4 + 8x = 4(y^3 - 1) + 16 \sqrt{3}.\]

Find $x^4 + y^4$.

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Congratulations to the following members for their correct solution:

1. Opalg
2. Olinguito
3. lfdahl

Solution from Opalg:
Write the equations as \[(\textcolor{blue}{1})\qquad y = \tfrac18(-x^4 + 4x^3 - 4 - 16\sqrt3),\]
\[(\textcolor{green}{2})\qquad x = \tfrac18(-y^4 + 4y^3 - 4 + 16\sqrt3).\]
From the graph (below) it looks as though these two curves are separated by the line \[(\textcolor{orange}{3})\qquad x-y = 2\sqrt3.\]
In fact, if we write $(\textcolor{orange}{3})$ as $y = x-2\sqrt3$, and compare that with $(\textcolor{blue}{1})$, we see that \[(x-2\sqrt3) - \tfrac18(-x^4 + 4x^3 - 4 - 16\sqrt3) = \tfrac18(x^4 - 4x^3 + 8x + 4) = \tfrac18(x^2 - 2x - 2)^2 \geqslant 0.\] It follows that the graph of $(\textcolor{blue}{1})$ is always below the line $(\textcolor{orange}{3})$, and touches it only when $x^2 - 2x - 2 = 0$, or $x = 1\pm\sqrt3.$

Similarly, comparing $(\textcolor{orange}{3})$ with $(\textcolor{green}{2})$, we see that \[(y+2\sqrt3) - \tfrac18(-y^4 + 4y^3 - 4 + 16\sqrt3) = \tfrac18(y^4 - 4y^3 + 8y + 4) = \tfrac18(y^2 - 2y - 2)^2 \geqslant 0.\] It follows that the graph of $(\textcolor{green}{2})$ is always to the left of the line $(\textcolor{orange}{3})$, and touches it only when $y = 1\pm\sqrt3.$

So the curves $(\textcolor{blue}{1})$ and $(\textcolor{green}{2})$ can only meet when $x = 1\pm\sqrt3$ and $y = 1\pm\sqrt3$, and in fact that only happens at the point $(x,y) = (1+\sqrt3,1-\sqrt3).$ At that point, $x^4 + y^4 = (28+16\sqrt3) + (28-16\sqrt3) = 56.$

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Alternate solution from Olinguito:
Adding the two equations gives
$$\left(x^4-4x^3+8x+4\right)+\left(y^4-4y^3+8y+4\right)\ =\ 0$$

$\implies\ \left(x^2-2x-2\right)^2+\left(y^2-2y-2\right)^2\ =\ 0.$

So $x,y$ are roots of the quadratic $t^2-2t-2=0$; $\therefore\ x,y\ =\ 1\pm\sqrt3$. Of the four possible solutions, the only one that satisfies the original set of equations is $x=1+\sqrt3,\,y=1-\sqrt3$. Hence:

$$x^4+y^4=(1+\sqrt3)^4+(1-\sqrt3)^4\ = \boxed{56}.$$
 

Related to How Do You Solve for \(x^4 + y^4\) Given These Equations?

1. What is the problem that needs to be solved?

The problem is to find the value of x4 + y4 given the equation x2 + y2 = 65.

2. How can I approach this problem?

This problem can be solved by using the Pythagorean theorem to find the values of x and y, and then substituting those values into the equation x4 + y4.

3. Is there a specific method or formula to use?

Yes, the method to solve this problem involves using the Pythagorean theorem and then substituting the values into the equation x4 + y4.

4. Can you provide an example of how to solve this problem?

Sure, for example, if x = 5 and y = 12, then x4 + y4 = 625 + 20736 = 21361.

5. Are there any tips or tricks to solving this problem?

One tip is to remember that the Pythagorean theorem can only be used for right triangles, so make sure to check that the given equation satisfies this condition before proceeding with the solution. Additionally, it may be helpful to first solve for x2 and y2 before substituting them into the equation x4 + y4 to simplify the calculations.

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