Solving Modular Equations with Multiple Variables

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The discussion revolves around solving a set of modular equations involving multiple variables. Participants explore various methods for addressing these equations, including the Chinese remainder theorem and the implications of compatibility between the equations.

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  • Some participants propose using the Chinese remainder theorem to solve the equations if they can be expressed in the appropriate form.
  • One participant questions the compatibility of the equations, suggesting that the equations may not be simultaneously solvable.
  • Another participant provides specific solutions for each equation, indicating potential values for x under different moduli.
  • A participant shares a method involving an Excel table to visualize the relationship between x and modular results, seeking further guidance on its application.
  • There is a discussion about the clarity of notation and the importance of writing equations unambiguously.

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Participants express differing views on the compatibility of the equations and whether they can be solved simultaneously. There is no consensus on the correctness of the proposed solutions or methods.

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Some participants highlight potential issues with notation and clarity, suggesting that misinterpretations may arise from ambiguous expressions. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with modular arithmetic concepts.

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Individuals interested in modular arithmetic, particularly those studying mathematics or related fields, may find the exploration of solving modular equations and the associated methods useful.

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5x = 1 (mod 13)
13x = 2 (mod 23)
37x = 5 (mod 13)
 
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krispiekr3am said:
5x = 1 (mod 13)
13x = 2 (mod 23)
37x = 5 (mod 13)

Start off with the definition of 'mod': http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Congruence.html" .
 
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krispiekr3am said:
5x = 1 (mod 13)
13x = 2 (mod 23)
37x = 5 (mod 13)
You could use the chinese remainder theorem if you can put it in the appropriate form. For example if you find some k such that 5k = 1 mod 13 (Euclid's algorithm), then the first equation is x = k (mod 13).
 
i started with this
5x-1=13y
x=(13y+1)/5
y=1
x then =12/5
is that correct?
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13x-2=23y
x=(23y+2)/13
y=0
x then = 2/13?
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37x-5=13y
x=(13y+5)/37
y=1
x then = 18/37

is that right?
 
i have created an excel and create a table like this
x 3x module7
1 3 3
2 6 6
3 9 2
4 12 5
5 15 1

What should i do with this graph to do with 13x=2(mod23)
 
As has been said, use the Chinese remainder theorem (whcih is Euclid's algorithm but dressed up).

Of course if you typed it correctly you're looking for 5x=1 (13) and 37x=5 (13). Are those even compatible? The fact that you've written 37 and not 11 means that either you've mistyped the 13, or you're not happy with modulo arithmetic, and don't see that you can always replace something with something else congruent mod m if it helps.
 
matt grime said:
Are those even compatible?

Nope, 5\not\equiv8\pmod{13}.
 
Yes, I know. It was rhetorical/supposed to make the OP think about it, not someone for whom the question is easy.
 
the answer to 5x = 1 (mod 13) is x = 8 (mod 13)
and the answer to 13x = 2 (mod 23) is x = 9 (mod 23)
and the answer to 37x = 5 (mod 13) is x = 4 (mod 13)
 
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So those aren't sumultaneous equations then? It would greatly benefit you (and would stop you driving your teachers mad) if you wrote things unambiguously, and in full sentences.
 

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