How Do You Solve Related Rates Problems Involving Melting Ice?

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The discussion revolves around solving related rates problems specifically involving the melting of an ice sphere. Participants explore the mathematical relationships between the volume of the sphere, its radius, and the rate of change of these quantities over time. The conversation includes both theoretical and practical aspects of the problem.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Tom presents an initial approach using the volume formula for a sphere and derives expressions for the rate of change of the radius with respect to time.
  • Another participant confirms Tom's calculations for part (a) and suggests integrating the rate of change to find the time it takes for the sphere to melt completely.
  • There is a discussion about the integration process, with some participants questioning the correct form of the integral and the constant of integration.
  • One participant proposes bringing the volume formula back into the discussion to express the radius in terms of volume and time.
  • A later reply outlines a method to solve the initial value problem (IVP) and derives a formula for the time it takes for the radius to reach zero, indicating the dependence on the initial radius and the constant k.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to solving the problem but express uncertainty regarding specific integration steps and the role of the constant of integration. Multiple viewpoints on the integration process and the relationship between volume and radius remain present.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made about the constant of integration and how it relates to the initial conditions of the problem. The discussion does not fully resolve the integration steps or the implications of the volume formula on the final expressions.

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Hi,
need some help on the following question.

Just want to check on part a on the followingv=4/3\pi.r^3

dv = 4\pi.r^2 dr

dv/dt = 4\pi.r^2 dr/dt

dr/dt = (dv/dt)/ 4\pi.r^2

dr/dt = (-KA)/4\pi.r^2

dr/dt= -K

part B need some help

Thanks

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tomc612 said:
Hi,
need some help on the following question.

Just want to check on part a on the followingv=4/3\pi.r^3

dv = 4\pi.r^2 dr

dv/dt = 4\pi.r^2 dr/dt

dr/dt = (dv/dt)/ 4\pi.r^2

dr/dt = (-KA)/4\pi.r^2

dr/dt= -K

part B need some help

Thanks

Tom

You've done part a) correctly.

As for part b, you want to know how long it takes for the sphere to melt entirely, in other words, for r to become 0.

So integrate $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\mathrm{d}r}{\mathrm{d}t} = -k \end{align*}$ with respect to t to get r in terms of t, and then solve for t where $\displaystyle \begin{align*} r = 0 \end{align*}$.
 
So,
dr/dt = -k

dr = -k.dt

intergral dr = integral -k.dt

r = -kt + c

0 = -kt +c

Still not sure that's it, or should it be that the integral of -k.dt is -1/2k^2t

Thanks
 
tomc612 said:
So,
dr/dt = -k

dr = -k.dt

intergral dr = integral -k.dt

r = -kt + c

0 = -kt +c

Still not sure that's it, or should it be that the integral of -k.dt is -1/2k^2t

Thanks
You have not yet answered the question! What is t when r= 0? Of course, that will depend upon what "c" is. You were given "k" as part of the problem when you were given \frac{dV}{dt}= -kA. To determine "c" use the fact that "the ice sphere has initial radius r_0 when t= 0".
 
so do we need to bring the Volume formula back into represent V and R
if V =4/3pi.r^3

then r = (3V/4pi)^1/3r0=-kt +c

(3V/4Pi)^1/3 =-kt+c

is that the right path?

Thanks
 
For part (b), we are to solve the IVP:

$$\d{r}{t}=-k$$ where $$r(0)=r_0$$

Integrate w.r.t $t$, using the given boundaries and switch dummy variables of integration:

$$\int_{r_0}^{r(t)}\,da=-k\int_0^t\,db$$

Apply the FTOC:

$$r(t)-r_0=-kt$$

Solve for $t$:

$$t=\frac{r_0-r(t)}{k}$$

To determine how long it takes the ice to melt away, we set $r(t)=0$:

$$t=\frac{r_0}{k}$$
 

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