How Do You Solve These Challenging Arithmetic Sequence Problems?

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The discussion revolves around arithmetic sequences, specifically focusing on problems related to their sums and properties. Participants are exploring various questions involving the sums of terms in arithmetic progressions and the definitions that distinguish arithmetic progressions from other types, such as geometric progressions.

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Arithmetic Sequences - PLEASE HELP!

I would really appreciate any help to figure out the following 4 questions:

1) The Sum of the first two terms of an arithmetic progression is 18 and the sum of the first four terms is 52. Find the sum of the First eight terms

2) An arithmetic Progression has first term a and common difference -1. The sum of the first n terms is equal to the sum of the first 3n terms. Express a in terms of n.

3) Find the sum of the arithmetic progression 1,4,7,10,13,16,...,1000.
Now find the sum if every third term is removed

4) In the Sequence 1.0,1.1,1,2...,99.1,100.0 each number after the first is 0.1 greater than the previous number. Find: 1) the number of number is the sequence and 2) the sum of the numbers in the sequence.

I don't think I know any of the relevant equations (If there are any that is)
Please Help! :confused:
Thankyou
 
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DEFINITIONS!

What is it that makes a numeric progression an arithmetic progression as opposed to, say, a geometric progession?
 


An Arithmetic Progression is a sequence with a common difference eg 3,6,9,12,15 (with Common difference 3) whereas a Geometric Progression uses multipliers instead of a common difference i.e. x, x squared, x cubed,...
 


OK I've done the third question using a formula I found on wikipedia: n/2(a+l) where n is the number of terms, a is the first term and l is the last term.

First I found the number of terms by dividing by the common difference:

n= 1000/d
=1000/3
=333.3
=334

Then use the formula:

n/2(a+l)
=334/2(1+1000)
=167 X 1001
=167167

and for (part 2) I just multiplied by two thirds to remove a third of the terms (every third term):
167167 x (2/3) = 111444.67
=111445

I would appreciate any help on the other Q's guys . Thanks
 


So for problem 1, you have
a, a + d, a + 2d, a + 3d

With the given information you should be able to find a and d, and from that, the sum of the first 8 terms.
 


Timiop2008 said:
OK I've done the third question using a formula I found on wikipedia: n/2(a+l) where n is the number of terms, a is the first term and l is the last term.

First I found the number of terms by dividing by the common difference:

n= 1000/d
=1000/3
=333.3
=334
Correct, there are 334 terms. A better way to see this is to list them (or at least list enough of them to see the pattern).
1, 1 + 1*3, 1 + 2*3, 1 + 3*3, 1 + 4*3, ... , 1 + 333*3
The ellipsis (...) means "continuing in the same pattern."
That last term is equal to 1000, and starting from the 2nd term up to the last there are 333 terms, plus the one I didn't count at the beginning, for a total of 334 terms

Timiop2008 said:
Then use the formula:

n/2(a+l)
=334/2(1+1000)
=167 X 1001
=167167
Right.
Timiop2008 said:
and for (part 2) I just multiplied by two thirds to remove a third of the terms (every third term):
167167 x (2/3) = 111444.67
=111445

I would appreciate any help on the other Q's guys . Thanks

You might be on shaky ground here. If you're off, and I don't know that you are, you won't be off by much. A better way to do it is to list the ones you're removing, say 7, 16, 25, and so on. This is also an arithmetic series, but with a different common difference. If you can list all of them (or at least a few at the beginning, an ellipsis, and the last one up around 1000, you can find its total, and subtract that from the number you got in the first part.
 
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Thanks

I just need solutions for the first 2 Questions now.

I cannot even begin to attempt the second question (would really appreciate an help) but i tried this for the first question:

2n+d=18
4n+3d=52

So, Using simultaneous equations:

4x+3d=52
-4x+2d=36
d=16

I then put 16 into one of the equations to find x(or n) as 1.
So n=1, & d=16

For 8 terms, there will be 7 differences, so
8X1 + 7X16
=8+112
=120

Apparantly this is incorrect -the answer sheet says 168 but i don't know why!
Is there something I have overlooked?

PS. The answer to the second question is 2n-1\2 but i really don't know how to get this (I would greatly appreciate any help).
Thanks
 


Timiop2008 said:
Thanks

I just need solutions for the first 2 Questions now.

I cannot even begin to attempt the second question (would really appreciate an help) but i tried this for the first question:

2n+d=18
4n+3d=52
The 2nd equation is wrong. You're adding four numbers, starting with n. What's the next one? The third one? The fourth one?
Timiop2008 said:
So, Using simultaneous equations:

4x+3d=52
-4x+2d=36
d=16

I then put 16 into one of the equations to find x(or n) as 1.
So n=1, & d=16

For 8 terms, there will be 7 differences, so
8X1 + 7X16
=8+112
=120

Apparantly this is incorrect -the answer sheet says 168 but i don't know why!
Is there something I have overlooked?
I get 168, also.
Timiop2008 said:
PS. The answer to the second question is 2n-1\2 but i really don't know how to get this (I would greatly appreciate any help).
Thanks

For problem 2:
2) An arithmetic Progression has first term a and common difference -1. The sum of the first n terms is equal to the sum of the first 3n terms. Express a in terms of n.
Write an expression for the first n terms.
a + (a - 1) + (a - 2) + (a - 3) + ... +(a - ?)

What should go in the place of ? so that there are n terms? Be careful when you count the terms.

Now write an expression for the first 3n terms. This expression will be equal to the one just above.
 

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