How Do You Subtract Vectors and Determine Their Direction?

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The discussion revolves around vector subtraction and determining the direction of the resultant vector. The original poster presents vectors A and B, along with a derived vector F, and questions the validity of their component calculations and the quadrant in which vector F lies.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the components of vector F by subtracting a scaled vector B from vector A and questions the rules governing this operation. They also inquire about determining the quadrant of vector F based on the signs of its components.

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Participants have engaged in a back-and-forth regarding the calculations and the geometric interpretation of the vectors. Some guidance has been provided on visualizing the vectors to ascertain their quadrants, and the original poster has confirmed their understanding of the component calculations.

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The discussion includes a focus on the graphical representation of vectors and the implications of vector subtraction on their directional properties. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correctness of component calculations in the context of vector operations.

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vector A = 7i + 4J
vector B= -4i - 8j
vector F = vector A - 3B

are you allowed to do this:
Fx= Ax - 3Bx : 7-3(-4) =19
Fy= Ay -3By : 4- 3(-8) = 28
or is there some rule to get the 3b?

and then how do you get the direction? when i do tan^-1 (28/19) = 55.8 . but how can i tell what quadrant vector F is in? i know vector A is in quad 1. and B is in quad 3. but since i am subtracting vector B, it is really going in quad 1? so is vector F really in quad 1?
sorry for all the questions!
 
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Get some graph paper, and draw it! Draw A, B, -3B and F. Can you see what the numbers are actually representing as geometry?

It should be obvious which quadrant things are in... if x and y are both positive, they're in the first quadrant... I'll let you fill in the conditions for the other three.
 
i did draw it already.
i know A is in quad 1.
B is in quad 3, but since i am subtracting ( i have to take the opposite vector) it would be in quad 1 as well.
so vector F should be in quad 1 correct?
 
Yes. You can also see it from the graph. Or, by noting that the defining of a vector in quadrant 1 is that both x and y components are positive. Can you generalise that definition for the other quadrants?
 
klm said:
vector A = 7i + 4J
vector B= -4i - 8j
vector F = vector A - 3B

are you allowed to do this:
Fx= Ax - 3Bx : 7-3(-4) =19
Fy= Ay -3By : 4- 3(-8) = 28
or is there some rule to get the 3b?

Your components look to be correct. You can calculate each component algebraically as you have done.

and then how do you get the direction? when i do tan^-1 (28/19) = 55.8 . but how can i tell what quadrant vector F is in? i know vector A is in quad 1. and B is in quad 3. but since i am subtracting vector B, it is really going in quad 1? so is vector F really in quad 1?

Both components of F are positive, so what quadrant does that put it in?

(I just spotted your later response. Your graph seems to confirm the algebra.)
 
^thank you both! i just needed to make sure that you are allowed to find components like that. by multiplying the 3 with the B component. thanks!
 

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