How Do You Use Einstein Summation to Prove Vector Calculus Identities?

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The discussion revolves around proving the vector calculus identity involving the curl of a product of a scalar function and a vector field using Einstein summation notation. Participants are exploring the transition from traditional vector calculus to tensor notation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to express both sides of the identity in Einstein notation but encounters difficulty in rearranging terms. Some participants question the steps taken in the notation and suggest applying the product rule. Others reflect on the implications of including missing factors in their expressions.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and suggestions for approaching the problem. There is recognition of potential missteps in notation and reasoning, but no explicit consensus has been reached on the solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants express concerns about their familiarity with Einstein summation notation and its application in vector calculus, indicating varying levels of understanding and experience with the topic.

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prove the identity $$\nabla\times(f\cdot\vec{v})=(\nabla f) \times \vec{v} + f \cdot \nabla \times \vec{v}$$

I can do the proof with normal vector calculus, but I am in a tensor intensive course and would like to do this with
einstein summation notation, but am having some trouble since I am brand new to this.

my attempt

left side

\epsilon_{ijk} \partial_{j} (\nabla f \cdot \vec{v})_{k}=\epsilon_{ijk}\partial_{j} f \vec{v}_{k}

I didn't really know where to go from here so I moved onto the right side and expressed it in einstein notation

\epsilon_{ijk} (\nabla f)_{j} v_{k} + f \epsilon_{ijk} \partial_{j} v_{k}

\epsilon_{ijk} \partial_{j} f v_{k} + f \epsilon_{ijk} \partial_{j} v_{k}

which I don't see how I can rearrange this to get what is on the left. I see how it could be twice what I have on the left, but that obviously is incorrect. Did I do something wrong in expressing these? Do I have to express the right side with different sets of indicees?
 
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How did you go from the second last line to the last line?
 
I just realized I forgot an f in that line
 
If you include the f, haven't you answered your own question?
 
George Jones said:
If you include the f, haven't you answered your own question?

unless I am seeing this completely wrong, the left side (first line up above) and the right side (on the last line) is twice the left side when I add them together

I was thinking maybe I had to express the right side like this

\epsilon_{ijk} (\nabla f)_{j} v_{k} + f \epsilon_{klm} \partial_{l} v_{m}

and do the permutation identity for permutations differing by 2 indicees but I seem to be going nowhere with that
 
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Apply the product rule to

\epsilon_{ijk}\partial_{j} (f v_{k})
 
George Jones said:
Apply the product rule to

\epsilon_{ijk}\partial_{j} (f v_{k})

jeez thanks... staring me in the face
 
Can anyone suggest a book that has a ton of examples using einstein summation? I feel behind most of my class in regards to the notation. It just takes me too long to do problems.
 
Just a small tip: Don't use ##\cdot## for anything other than the dot product when you're doing these things.
 

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