How Does a New Species Reproduce After Macro-Evolution?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of macro-evolution and how new species reproduce after significant evolutionary changes. Participants explore the mechanisms of evolution, the role of mutations, and the distinction between micro-evolution and macro-evolution, with a focus on the implications for species reproduction.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the definition of macro-evolution, suggesting it may simply be a series of small changes leading to a new species that cannot mate with the original species.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of mutations, with some arguing that mutations affect individual organisms and raise questions about how a new species could reproduce if it is the only one of its kind.
  • One participant suggests that species may evolve in parallel and become incompatible over time, rather than arising suddenly.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that evolution is a gradual process, and sudden changes leading to new species are viewed skeptically.
  • Some participants reference scientific findings indicating that new species can emerge more rapidly than previously thought, citing specific examples such as salmon populations.
  • There is a mention of the necessity for mutations to occur in germ cells for traits to be passed on to future generations, highlighting the complexity of reproduction in new species.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms and timelines of speciation, with no consensus on how new species reproduce or the validity of the micro-evolution versus macro-evolution distinction.

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Some claims about the speed of speciation and the nature of mutations depend on specific definitions and assumptions that are not universally agreed upon in the discussion.

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Okay I have a question. In micro-evolution, traits change among the same species, enough of these changes leads to macro-evolution. What is macro-evolution other than a different name and a series of small changes? A change big enough so that the new organism is no longer of the same species, and cannot mate with the original species anymore. This makes me question something...

Mutations would only affect one organism, correct? It would be too coincidental for a group of organisms to all evolve into the same new species. So how does the new species reproduce if it's not asexual? If it's the only one of it's kind? If it could reproduce with the parent species, then it would BE that species itself, so how does a new organism representing a new species reproduce?
 
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dratsab said:
Mutations would only affect one organism, correct? It would be too coincidental for a group of organisms to all evolve into the same new species.
Mutated organisms (may) pass their new traits on to their kids.
So how does the new species reproduce if it's not asexual? If it's the only one of it's kind? If it could reproduce with the parent species, then it would BE that species itself, so how does a new organism representing a new species reproduce?
It isn't that thin of a line. Species may just evolve in parallel, isolated from each other, eventually becoming incompatible.
 
Evolution is a long term process, I personally don't believe species could just arise through a sudden change that makes it completely incompatible with its predecessors. Usually an advantageous mutation is selected upon and passed onto future generations long enough to allow the specialization of that trait, but this takes time.
 
yangxu said:
Evolution is a long term process, I personally don't believe species could just arise through a sudden change that makes it completely incompatible with its predecessors. Usually an advantageous mutation is selected upon and passed onto future generations long enough to allow the specialization of that trait, but this takes time.

Yes, evolution does indeed proceed through gradualism.
 
New animal species can emerge much quicker than previously thought, say scientists.

Salmon in a US lake split into two separate populations in just 13 generations, or about 60-70 years, researchers have revealed.

Until now, it was believed that new species took hundreds or thousands of years to appear.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/979950.stm
 
dratsab said:
Okay I have a question. In micro-evolution, traits change among the same species, enough of these changes leads to macro-evolution. What is macro-evolution other than a different name and a series of small changes? A change big enough so that the new organism is no longer of the same species, and cannot mate with the original species anymore. This makes me question something...
Evolution is evolution. The distinction between micro and macro evolution is not one made by biology so much as those who wish to reject evolution, but need to make some concession to the fact that mutations do indeed occur that change species, so they give it a different name.

Mutations would only affect one organism, correct? It would be too coincidental for a group of organisms to all evolve into the same new species. So how does the new species reproduce if it's not asexual? If it's the only one of it's kind? If it could reproduce with the parent species, then it would BE that species itself, so how does a new organism representing a new species reproduce?
The mutation would have to occur in the germ cells (egg or sperm), not just somatic cells (the rest of the body) for it to be passed on to the next generation, and be spread throughout a species.
 

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