How does a tiny gyro stabilize a massive gun turret?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanisms by which a small gyro stabilizes a large gun turret, specifically focusing on the stabilization of a 12.7 mm gun mounted on tanks or APCs. Participants explore the theoretical and practical aspects of gyro stabilization, including its integration with fire control systems and potential applications in various contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the role of gyros in maintaining the orientation of heavy guns, suggesting that gyros sense changes in orientation.
  • There is a proposal that gyros may connect electronically to fire control systems, although this is not universally accepted.
  • One participant mentions that the forces from a fast-spinning gyro could potentially stabilize a gun independently, referencing applications in ship stabilization.
  • Another participant suggests that the gyro acts as a reference point for the control system, which compensates for deviations in gun position.
  • Some participants speculate on the use of additional actuators alongside the gyro to stabilize the system, emphasizing the need for a methodical approach in schoolwork.
  • There is mention of similarities between gyro stabilization in turrets and handheld stabilized cameras, indicating a broader context for understanding the technology.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of gyro stabilization, such as the potential for missing targets if the tank hits a bump at the wrong moment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses and ideas regarding gyro stabilization, but no consensus is reached on the exact mechanisms or methods involved. Multiple competing views remain, particularly regarding the integration with control systems and the role of additional components.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted, such as the dependence on specific definitions of stabilization and the unresolved nature of how gyros interact with other systems in practice. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or technical details involved in the stabilization process.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in engineering, control systems, and military technology, as well as those exploring practical applications of gyroscopic stabilization.

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Hello there. I was interested to know that how a tiny gryo stabilizes a massive gun turret of a tank and how it stablilizes a 12.7 MM gun mounted on a tank or an APC? Its fine that gyro senses the change in orientation, but how does it maintain the orientation of a heavy gun like 12.7 mm?
 
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Israr Hussain said:
Hello there. I was interested to know that how a tiny gryo stabilizes a massive gun turret of a tank and how it stablilizes a 12.7 MM gun mounted on a tank or an APC? Its fine that gyro senses the change in orientation, but how does it maintain the orientation of a heavy gun like 12.7 mm?
Presumably it hooks in electronically to the fire control system.
 
phinds said:
Presumably it hooks in electronically to the fire control system.
Exactly. Can you guide me to a link where I can have the relevant stuff?
 
Israr Hussain said:
Exactly. Can you guide me to a link where I can have the relevant stuff?
No, I was just throwing out a guess because your apparent incredulity seemed misplaced.
 
If you didn't get the depot manuals with the ordnance, that's the breaks.
 
Bystander said:
If you didn't get the depot manuals with the ordnance, that's the breaks.
Well I am a student and want to do a project on this topic.
 
Hit the library and work on "control theory."
 
It may be useful searching for information on quadcopter camera stabilisation. The concept is similar and with the recent surge in popularity it may be easier finding information.
 
It's probably a sensor in a control system, but don't underestimate the force of a fast spinning gyro. Ships have been roll-stabilized directly with gyros. It might be able to stabilize a gun all by itself. Do a quick estimate first.
 
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Israr Hussain said:
Hello there. I was interested to know that how a tiny gryo stabilizes a massive gun turret of a tank and how it stablilizes a 12.7 MM gun mounted on a tank or an APC? Its fine that gyro senses the change in orientation, but how does it maintain the orientation of a heavy gun like 12.7 mm?

Maybe the gyro forces are not used directly. Can you propose a method of using the gyro position and other actuators to stabilize this system? It's your schoolwork after all... :-)
 
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the other place to look for the tech is hand held stabilized cameras. the gyro is like a reference so the equipment knows which way to move to compensate for deviation.in the case of turrets the guns are moved by the same kind of equipment as would a non gyro stabilized turret the difference is in the control system.
 
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Well the gyro helps the balance, but I am guessing there would be some large metal plates sitting on the gyro that support the heavy artillery
 
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aaa16797 said:
Well the gyro helps the balance, but I am guessing there would be some large metal plates sitting on the gyro that support the heavy artillery
in the case of tanks the gyro is a reference of level and plumb which the control system uses to compensate the position of the gun in reference to the tank and the gyro which keeps the gun pointed in the direction and at the elevation the crew/fire control has input.its not instantaneous if you hit a bump at just the last second you'll still miss.
 

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