How Does Acceleration Affect Spring Stretch in an Adiabatic Piston System?

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The discussion revolves around an adiabatic piston system involving Helium gas, where participants are analyzing how acceleration affects the stretch of a spring connected to the piston. The problem includes variables such as mass, pressure, volume, and spring constant, and requires understanding of adiabatic processes.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between pressure and volume in an adiabatic process, questioning the algebraic manipulations involved in deriving the pressure equations. There are discussions about the validity of approximations used in the calculations and the interpretation of the volume variable.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants providing insights and corrections to each other's algebraic expressions. Some participants express confidence in their interpretations, while others suggest revisiting the problem statement for clarification. No consensus has been reached regarding the correct answer.

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There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the definitions of variables, particularly the volume associated with the container. Participants are also considering the implications of small displacements in their calculations.

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Homework Statement


An adiabatic piston of mass m equally divides an insulated container of volume V0 and length l filled with Helium.The initial pressures on both sides of the piston is P0 and the piston is connected to a spring of constant k. The container starts moving with acceleration a. Find the stretch in spring when acceleration of piston becomes a. Assume displacement of piston << l.
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Homework Equations


For adiabatic process, ##PV^{\gamma}##=constant

The Attempt at a Solution


using above equation, if piston is displaced by x towards left, ##P_1=P\frac{V^{\gamma}}{V^{\gamma}-2Ax}##
similarly, for right portion, ##P_2=P\frac{V^{\gamma}}{V^{\gamma}+2Ax}##
Now A=V/l
substituting, ##P_1=P(1-2x/l)^{\gamma}=P(1-\frac{2x\gamma}{l})##
similarly, ##P_2=P(1+2x/l)^{\gamma}=P(1+\frac{2x\gamma}{l})##
Now ##\Delta P=4\gamma P/l##
and from Newton's law, ##\Delta PA+kx=ma##
so ##4x\gamma \frac{P}{l}\frac{V}{l}+kx=ma##
so $$x=\frac{ma}{K+\frac{4P_0V_0\gamma}{l^2}}$$
But answer given is: $$x=\frac{ma}{K+\frac{8P_0V_0\gamma}{l^2}}$$
 
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There seems to be some mistakes or typos in the algebra involved. The denominator in the first 2 equations should be ##({V+-2Ax})^\gamma## . I seem to get ##P_1=P(1-2x/l)^{-\gamma}## and similar for P2.
 
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AdityaDev said:
substituting ##P_1=P(1-2x/l)^{\gamma}##
Do you mean ##P(1-2x/l)^{-\gamma}##?
 
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sorry... ##P_1=(1-2x/l)^{-\gamma}=(1+2x\gamma/l)##
Answer is still same.
 
You use the approximation ##(1-2x/l)^{-\gamma}\approx(1+2x\gamma/l)## which i think its valid only if the exponent is positive and 2x<<l.
 
yes 2x<<l.
also, ##(1-x)^{n}=1-\frac{n}{1!}x+\frac{n(n+1)}{2!}x^2-##.This expansion is true for both positive and negative rational numbers and for negetive integers.
so, if x is small, then you can neglect all terms starting from 3rd term which gives you ##1-nx##
 
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I'm inclined to agree with your answer, it's 4, not 8.
 
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Well the only "easy" thing i see and could fix the result is that the V0 might refer to the volume of the half container, so that it is ##A=2V_0/l##. Maybe check the excersice description again?
 
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Delta² said:
Well the only "easy" thing i see and could fix the result is that the V0 might refer to the volume of the half container, so that it is ##A=2V_0/l##. Maybe check the excersice description again?
The question is correct and i checked it again. The answer given is wrong.
 

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