How Does Adiabatic Expansion Affect an Ideal Gas in a Closed Cycle?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a diatomic ideal gas undergoing a closed thermodynamic cycle, including adiabatic expansion and isobaric compression. Participants are exploring the implications of the gas's specific heat ratio and the relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature throughout the cycle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the steps involved in the cycle, including the use of equations like PV^γ and TV^(γ-1) to analyze the adiabatic process. Questions arise regarding the application of these equations and the interpretation of results, particularly concerning the temperature at different stages of the cycle.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the interpretation of the equations and the nature of the processes involved. There is acknowledgment of the need to clarify certain assumptions, such as the quasi-static nature of the adiabatic expansion. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the temperature at the end of the cycle.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which includes specific tasks such as drawing a PV diagram and calculating various thermodynamic properties. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between different variables in the context of the closed cycle.

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Homework Statement


A 4.00-L sample of a diatomic ideal gas with specific heat
ratio 1.40, confined to a cylinder, is carried through a
closed cycle. The gas is initially at 1.00 atm and at 300 K.
First, its pressure is tripled under constant volume.
Then, it expands adiabatically to its original pressure.
Finally, the gas is compressed isobarically to its original
volume. (a) Draw a PV diagram of this cycle. (b) Determine
the volume of the gas at the end of the adiabatic
expansion. (c) Find the temperature of the gas at the
start of the adiabatic expansion. (d) Find the temperature
at the end of the cycle. (e) What was the net work done on the gas for this cycle?

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The Attempt at a Solution


Part A is a graph of a typical adiabatic expansion. Part B I used PV^γ is constant and found V=8.77 L. Part C I used PV = nRT and got 900K.

I am stuck on part D, I know it should be 300 K, but I want to know why the equation TV^(γ-1) = constant isn't working. Lastly for part E, I don't know how to find the area under the curve without P as a function of V.
 
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Woopydalan said:

The Attempt at a Solution


Part A is a graph of a typical adiabatic expansion. Part B I used PV^γ is constant and found V=8.77 L. Part C I used PV = nRT and got 900K.

Correct!

Woopydalan said:
I am stuck on part D, I know it should be 300 K, but I want to know why the equation TV^(γ-1) = constant isn't working.
that equation gives the temperature at the end of the adiabatic expansion. It is not the end of the cycle: You have one isobaric compression left.

Woopydalan said:
Lastly for part E, I don't know how to find the area under the curve without P as a function of V.

No need to integrate. It is a cycle, the gas returns back to its original state, so the change of internal energy is zero. According to the First Law, the heat Q and W, the work done on the gas, add up to zero. You can calculate the heat exchange for each process: It is a diatomic gas, what are Cv and Cp? You also can determine the amount of gas.

ehild
 
Woopydalan said:

Homework Statement


A 4.00-L sample of a diatomic ideal gas with specific heat
ratio 1.40, confined to a cylinder, is carried through a
closed cycle. The gas is initially at 1.00 atm and at 300 K.
First, its pressure is tripled under constant volume.
Then, it expands adiabatically to its original pressure.
Finally, the gas is compressed isobarically to its original
volume. (a) Draw a PV diagram of this cycle. (b) Determine
the volume of the gas at the end of the adiabatic
expansion. (c) Find the temperature of the gas at the
start of the adiabatic expansion. (d) Find the temperature
at the end of the cycle. (e) What was the net work done on the gas for this cycle?
Is the adiabatic expansion quasi-static?

AM
 
Thanks guys!

I completely overlooked that it was asking for the temperature at the original spot...I was thinking at the end of the adiabatic expansion.

I'll give part E a try.

Yes it is quasi-static.
 

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