How does altitude affect the speed of sound and the creation of sonic booms?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on how altitude affects the speed of sound and the conditions necessary for the creation of sonic booms. Participants explore the relationship between air pressure, temperature, and the speed of sound at different altitudes, with a focus on theoretical implications and misconceptions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that air pressure affects the speed needed to create a sonic boom, proposing that it might be easier to exceed this speed at higher altitudes, but that a higher speed is required to create a cone at those altitudes.
  • Another participant states that Mach speed varies with altitude, indicating that at 50,000 feet, the speed of sound is approximately 87% of the sea level value, thus slower at that altitude.
  • A later reply emphasizes that temperature is the primary factor affecting the speed of sound, noting that while pressure decreases with altitude, temperature also decreases, leading to a lower speed of sound.
  • Some participants express that there is a common misunderstanding regarding the relationship between air density and the speed of sound, clarifying that temperature is the significant factor rather than density.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that altitude affects the speed of sound, but there are competing views regarding the roles of air pressure and temperature in this relationship. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these factors on sonic boom creation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the relationship between air pressure, temperature, and speed of sound, as well as the potential misconceptions that may arise from these factors.

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Correct me if I'm wrong I'm only 15. But doesn't air pressure affect the speed at which is needed to make a crack/boom. If so it would be easier at 50k feet to go faster, but you would not created a cone until you reach a higher speed. And vice versa with say. 5k feet.
 
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Mach speed do indeed vary with altitude. In the standard atmosphere [1], mach speed at 50k feet altitude is around 87% of the sea level value, i.e. the speed of sound is slower and not faster at 50k.

For further information I recommend you search for "mach speed at altitude" which should give you references like speed of sound at wikipedia [2] and tables of mach speed [3].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Atmosphere
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound
[3] http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/atmosphere/q0112.shtml
 
Filip Larsen said:
Mach speed do indeed vary with altitude. In the standard atmosphere [1], mach speed at 50k feet altitude is around 87% of the sea level value, i.e. the speed of sound is slower and not faster at 50k.

For further information I recommend you search for "mach speed at altitude" which should give you references like speed of sound at wikipedia [2] and tables of mach speed [3].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Atmosphere
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound
[3] http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/atmosphere/q0112.shtml
Thank you!
 
Note that most factors tend to roll-up into one: temperature. Since a shock wave is air molecules bouncing off each other, their speed depends on temperature. At higher altitude, pressure is lower, but then so is temperature. The wiki link explains it and includes a graph showing it.
 
Filip Larsen said:
Mach speed do indeed vary with altitude. In the standard atmosphere [1], mach speed at 50k feet altitude is around 87% of the sea level value, i.e. the speed of sound is slower and not faster at 50k.

For further information I recommend you search for "mach speed at altitude" which should give you references like speed of sound at wikipedia [2] and tables of mach speed [3].

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Atmosphere
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound
[3] http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/atmosphere/q0112.shtml

While true, this is commonly misunderstood. Many people think that the speed of sound is slower due to the lower density of the air at altitude, and this is incorrect. In reality, as russ said, the only really significant factor is temperature. The speed of sound scales as the square root of the temperature, and since it is colder at high altitudes, the speed of sound is correspondingly lower.
 

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