How Does Angle Affect Force Required to Move a Crate on Concrete?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of angle on the force required to move a crate across a concrete surface. The problem involves a crate with a specified mass and coefficient of kinetic friction, and participants are exploring the calculations needed to determine the forces involved when pushing or pulling the crate at different angles.

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  • Participants discuss the equations related to kinetic friction and the normal force, questioning their calculations and the relationships between forces when pushing versus pulling the crate. There is a focus on understanding how the angle affects these forces.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the notation and the implications of constant velocity, while others are attempting to clarify their calculations and reasoning. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the forces involved, but no consensus has been reached on the final calculations.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the crate is moving at a constant speed, which implies that the net force in the horizontal direction is zero. There is mention of potential confusion regarding the definitions and roles of various forces in the equations presented.

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Unless otherwise stated, all objects are located near the Earth's surface, where g = 9.80 {\rm m/s^2}.
A person has a choice while trying to push a crate across a horizontal pad of concrete: push it at a downward angle of 29∘ , or pull it at an upward angle 29∘.


If the crate has a mass of 47.0kg and the coefficient of kinetic friction between it and the concrete is 0.740, calculate the required force to move it across the concrete at a steady speed for both situations.

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I'm stuck on this problem, I don't know if I have my equations mixed up or I'm calculating the wrong thing.
Fk (is Kinetic Friction)
mg is mass * gravity (weight of the object)
muk (coefficient of kinetic friction - given as 0.74).
N is the Normal force (same as Fn as explained below).

Fn= mg*sin(theta)
Fk= muk*N
plug Fn into N since the coefficient of friction is given.

The frictional force when pulling is µW1:
w-sin(theta)*Fp
460.6 - sin(29)Fp (29 degrees is given - plugged into place of theta).
The frictional force when pushing is µW2:

460.6+sin(29)Fp

Ff(force of friction) Pull:
muk (w - sin(theta)
= (0.74) (47*9.8-sin(29) = 340.8 - 0.359Fp
Ff Push:
(0.74)(47*9.8+sin(29) = 340.8+0.359Fp

The horizontal component is Fp·cos(29°)
Fp*cos(29) = 0.875Fp
The net force when pulling is:
0.875Fp - (340.8 - 0.3588) = 0 -> 0.875Fp+0.3588 Fp -340.8 -> = 1.23 Fp - 340.8
The net force when pushing is:
0.875Fp - (340.8+0.3588) -> 0.875Fp - 0.3588 Fp -340.8 -> = 0.5162Fp - 340.8

Since it's moving at constant speed, does that mean the horizontal component Fp equal to the frictional force in each case?

This is basically where I'm lost at. I try setting Fp = Ff but I'm not getting the correct answers.
 
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Welcome to PF!

Life would be easier if you explained what your notations mean.
You are right, constant velocity means that both the horizontal and vertical components of the net force are zero.

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Sorry I tried writing out what the notations meant before working the equation out. I'll edit it, and then bold it for you.
 
Nevermind I think I got it.
For Pull: it would be cos(29) + (0.74)*sin(29) = 1.23
340.8 N / 1.23 = 276 N
For Push: cos(29) - (0.74)*sin(29) = 0.516
340.8 / 0.515 = 661 N
 
It is correct now.
 

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