How Does Angular Momentum Affect Ice Skating Techniques?

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The discussion centers around the application of angular momentum in ice skating techniques, particularly how changes in body position affect angular velocity and moment of inertia. Participants explore the mathematical relationships between angular momentum, moment of inertia, and angular velocity, as well as practical implications for ice skating performance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that angular momentum, L, can be expressed as L = mr²(2πf) and attempts to derive relationships for radius and frequency based on this equation.
  • Another participant clarifies that while the moment of inertia for a point mass is given by mr², a more general approach requires integration over the entire volume of the body.
  • A follow-up question is raised regarding whether a perfectly homogeneous sphere, like a bowling ball, can be treated as a point mass for the purposes of calculating moment of inertia.
  • Further discussion includes the implications of mass distribution on moment of inertia, particularly when comparing point-like masses to distributed masses like a bowling ball.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the application of moment of inertia, with some agreeing on the basic formulas for point masses while others emphasize the need for more complex calculations for distributed masses. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculations and assumptions made by the initial poster.

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There are limitations in the assumptions made about mass distribution and the applicability of point mass equations to real-world objects like bowling balls. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Hello, I'm trying to bone up on my conservation of angular momentum skills as well as my ice skating skills so I can be like my hero, Michio Kaku.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyYMbQFYGPU

Unfortunately my ice skating skills are better than my physics skills, so I thought y'all might be able to help. Here's the question, if angular momentum, L, equals the moment of inertia of a body, I, multiplied by its angular velocity, ω, then does L=mr^2(2πf)?

Now, if that's true, then does r=\sqrt{L/m2πf}?

And, accordingly, f=L/m2πr^2?

I just attempted to derive these myself so I don't know if I'm missing something here.

Plugging in some values, then, if I weighed 100 kg and started spinning at 1 cycle per second with my arms extended at a 1 meter radius, then would my angular momentum be 628.32 joule-seconds?

Now say we were to conserve this figure as I varied my "moment" during my spin by moving my arms inward and outward of my torso. Say I brought my arms in so that my radius was .5 meters instead of 1 meter. Would my rotation rate then be 4 cycles per second?

Finally, if I decided I wanted to rotate at a comfortable 2 cycles per second, would I need to move my arms to a position whereby my radius was 0.7 meters?

Am I calculating these figures correctly? Thanks for your help. Also, I do have one follow up question once I get all of this checked out.
 

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The moment of inertia is mr^2 for a point mass, but in general you have to integrate over the entire volume of the body. (divide body in small parts, sum mr^2 for these parts)
It would be easier to put someone on a turntable and try to measure the angular momentum for different positions.
 
willem2 said:
The moment of inertia is mr^2 for a point mass, but in general you have to integrate over the entire volume of the body. (divide body in small parts, sum mr^2 for these parts)
It would be easier to put someone on a turntable and try to measure the angular momentum for different positions.

Would a perfectly homogenous sphere, mass distribution-wise, like a perfectly homogenous bowling ball, qualify as such a point mass?
 
The point being made is that a point-like mass not located at the defined axis of rotation has a moment of inertia given by mr2 where r is its distance from the axis of rotation.

If you like, think of it as a point-like mass mounted on a massless rod that is attached to a freely spinning massless axle.

If you inflate that point-like mass to a bowling ball you have to consider not only the moment of inertia due to the distance of the center of mass from the axle but also the moment of inertia due to the distance of the distributed mass from its own center line. The total angular momentum would be mr2 + 2/5mR2 where R is the radius of the bowling ball and r is the distance of the center of the bowling ball from the axle.
 
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