How Does Angular Momentum Change After a Collision in Rotational Dynamics?

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The problem involves a rotating disk and a lump of clay that collides with it, focusing on the changes in angular momentum before and after the collision. The subject area is rotational dynamics, specifically angular momentum calculations in a system involving a rigid body and an external mass.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of angular momentum for both the disk and the clay, questioning how to properly account for both masses and their respective velocities. There is confusion regarding the correct formulas and the need to consider the system as a whole.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the need to include the angular momentum of the disk in addition to the clay. There is ongoing exploration of the correct expressions for angular momentum and how to combine the contributions from both the disk and the clay.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the definitions and calculations related to angular momentum, including the need to convert speeds appropriately and the implications of the collision on the system's overall dynamics. There is mention of specific angles and distances, but the exact values are not resolved.

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Homework Statement


A rotating uniform-density disk of radius 0.7 m is mounted in the vertical plane. The axle is held up by supports that are not shown, and the disk is free to rotate on the nearly frictionless axle. The disk has mass 3.4 kg. A lump of clay with mass 0.5 kg falls and sticks to the outer edge of the wheel at the location < -0.455, 0.532, 0 > m. Just before the impact the clay has a speed 6 m/s, and the disk is rotating clockwise with angular speed 0.82 radians/s.

(a) Just before the impact, what is the angular momentum of the combined system of wheel plus clay about the center C? (As usual, x is to the right, y is up, and z is out of the screen, toward you.)
C,i = < , , > kg · m2/s
(b) Just after the impact, what is the angular momentum of the combined system of wheel plus clay about the center C?
C,f = < , , > kg · m2/s
(c) Just after the impact, what is the angular velocity of the wheel?
f = < , , > radians/s


Homework Equations



for parts a and b, I know I should be using Rcos(theta)mv
for c I should use ((Rcos(theta)mv)/((M+m)R^2)


The Attempt at a Solution



Firstly, I found that the hypotenuse was equal to 0.7,
then I did cos^-1(-0.455/0.7) and obtained that the angle is 130.542 degrees.
So for part a I plugged in 0.7 m*cos(130.542)*0.5 kg*7 m/s and obtained -1.37 kg *m^2/s, which is apparently wrong. Can someone please let me know what I am doing wrong? Thanks in advance!
 
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guitarman said:
for parts a and b, I know I should be using Rcos(theta)mv
That would give you the angular momentum of the clay, but not of the system. What about the rotating disk?
 
So would I want to do Rcos(theta)*(m+M)*(v+V) so as to take into account both masses and velocities? And if so, do I convert both speeds to m/s or radians/s?
 
guitarman said:
So would I want to do Rcos(theta)*(m+M)*(v+V) so as to take into account both masses and velocities? And if so, do I convert both speeds to m/s or radians/s?

You have 2 expressions for angular momentum don't you?

You have the disk:

L = I * ω where ω is clockwise or <-z>

Then you have the angular momentum about C of the clay ball:

L = r X P

where P is the momentum vector of the clay ball <-y> and the projection of the r which is directed <-x>.
That means that this cross product is <-x> X <-y> = <z> which is counter-clockwise.

By taking the projection of the momentum to the ⊥ of the -x axis, you don't even need to use the angle. Just use the |r| as being |x|.
Of course you need to use r as .7 for figuring the I later on.

When they are combined you need to consider M and m as part of figuring the combined I.
 
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