How Does Attaching a Weight Affect Spring Equilibrium?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a spring system and the equilibrium position of a lump of putty attached to a spring. The context includes concepts from mechanics, specifically Hooke's Law and spring dynamics, as participants explore the effects of adding weight to a spring in equilibrium.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the modulus of elasticity and the implications of attaching the putty to the spring. There are inquiries about the distribution of forces within the spring and how the spring's segments behave differently when the putty is attached. Some participants raise questions about specific factors used in calculations, such as the factor of 2 in the modulus calculation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning various assumptions. Some have offered equations to describe the equilibrium position, while others are seeking clarification on the reasoning behind certain calculations. Multiple interpretations of the spring's behavior are being explored.

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There is a focus on the effects of the putty's weight on the spring's tension and the resulting equilibrium position. Participants are examining the unstretched lengths of the spring segments and their respective spring constants, which introduces additional complexity to the problem.

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A point A of the ceiling is directly above a point B of the floor 2.5 meters below. A and B are joined by a light spring of natural length 2 meters; the tension in the spring is then 20 Newtons. A Lump of Putty of weight 4 Newtons is now attached to the spring at the point 1 meter above the floor. At what height above the floor will the Putty rest in equilibrium?

My working and diagram;
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My Ans:
First i found natural length of the spring.
Without the Putty:
through Hooke's Law, we know
T= λx ⁄ l
where T = tension, l= natural length, λ = modulus of elasticity, x = extension
λ = Tl ⁄ x
λ = 20 * 2 / 0.5
λ = 80 Newtons

So this is the modulus of elasticity of the spring. From here the problem becomes complicated for me. Because after the Putty is attached, the spring is streched from the top and i do not know how to bring into my calculation how the spring below the Putty affects the extension. I'm lost, Could you PLEASE help.
The answer in my book is given 0.976 meters (which is the height of the putty above the floor)
 
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Note that in this case, the upper part of the string extend slightly, whereas the lower part of the spring will be compressed somewhat (relative to the upper part), so that you do NOT have an equally distributed elongation of the spring. Note that the upper part of the string pulles upwards, the lower part downwards. Calling the length by which the stretched lengths of the springs changes, you get the equation
k(2.5+l*-2)-k(2.5-l*-2)-mg=0 for the equilibrium position of the putty.

Note that the equilibrium tension in the spring for the case of no putty vanishes identically as a parameter (as it should)
 
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Why the factor of 2 in your calculation of λ ?
 
gneill said:
Why the factor of 2 in your calculation of λ ?
The 2 is the initial length 2 meters.
 
If the putty is attached to the stretched spring 1 meter above the floor, what fraction of the original spring length (2m) is below the putty (before the putty is attached)? What fraction of the original spring length is above the putty. What is the unstretched length of the portion of the spring above the putty? What is the unstretched length of the portion of the spring below the putty? The portion of the spring above the putty and the portion below the putty can be looked upon as two separate springs, with these unstretched lengths. What are the spring constants k = λ/l for each of these two springs? If the putty moves down by Δx, what is the force that the upper spring exerts on the putty, and in what direction. What is the force that the lower spring exerts on the putty, and in what direction. What is the total spring force on the putty, and in what direction?
 
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