How does bicarb soda dissolve gypsum in plaster form?

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The discussion revolves around the chemical reaction involved in the dissolution of gypsum in plaster form using bicarbonate soda. Participants explore the underlying chemistry, the effectiveness of the reaction, and its implications for educational activities.

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  • Some participants inquire about the specific chemical reaction that occurs when bicarbonate soda interacts with gypsum in plaster.
  • One participant suggests that the reaction converts calcium sulfate (CaSO4) into calcium carbonate (CaCO3), which is less soluble and alters the solid structure.
  • A participant shares a practical experience where bicarbonate soda effectively softened plaster for easier removal, expressing a desire to explain the process to primary school students.
  • Another participant notes that while calcium ions (Ca++) can remain in solution as calcium bicarbonate (Ca(HCO3)2), there are limits to their concentration due to the presence of carbonate ions (CO32-) in the bicarbonate solution.
  • One participant provides a chemical equation for the reaction, indicating that the formation of CaCO3 precipitate facilitates the removal of plaster, while also stating that their explanation is a guess and not necessarily definitive.
  • Concerns are raised about the solubility limits of calcium ions in relation to the bicarbonate solution and the implications for the precipitation of calcium carbonate.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the chemical processes involved, and while some points are discussed in detail, there is no consensus on the exact mechanisms or the definitive nature of the reactions taking place.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of the reactions and the limitations in understanding the solubility dynamics of calcium compounds in different solutions.

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Ehecatl posted very helpful content on this ,.. Just wondering if anyone can describe the actual reaction that takes place?
 
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Borek said:
I guess you refer to this thread: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/acid-for-plaster-of-paris.139990/

The only chemistry I can think of is that he converted sparingly soluble CaSO4 into even less soluble CaCO3, changing the structure of the solid in the process.

Yes, that is the thread, I have, And it was brilliant advice, -I tried the bicarb solution and it worked well to dissolve the plaster/ soften enough for easy scraping.
I am hoping to be able to explain it a little to primary school kids - they will be playing archeologist with buried dinosaurs, though I now have to also give them bicarb soda to access the toys inside the plaster as I made the plaster too hard. I can talk to them about it being a base, but I don't really understand why it is working to eat away the plaster,...
There is a reaction that happens first when the water and gypsum combine, then another when the bicarb works on the plaster,. Any laymen's terms would be appreciated,
Thanks,
 
Every insoluble salt is in fact a bit soluble. CaSO4 has solubility around 100 times higher than CaCO3. When you add bicarbonate plaster (calcium sulfate) slowly dissolves and calcium carbonate precipitates:

CaSO4(s) + NaHCO3(aq) → CaCO3(s) + NaHSO4(aq)

It happens the precipitating CaCO3 is much easier to remove.

Disclaimer: this is just my guess, what I wrote is thermodynamically correct, but it is not necessarily the correct explanation.
 
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Cannot Ca++ stay in solution as Ca(HCO3)2(aq)?
This is the normal species of calcium hardness in well water.
 
insightful said:
Cannot Ca++ stay in solution as Ca(HCO3)2(aq)?
This is the normal species of calcium hardness in well water.

Yes, but there is still a limit to how much of them can be present.

Besides, in NaHCO3 solution concentration of CO32- is quite high, which means the maximum concentration of Ca2+ quite low. In 0.1 M NaHCO3 [CO32-] = 1.1×10-3 M, which puts a limit on the [Ca2+] at 2.5×10-6 M. Compare that to the concentration of Ca2+ in the saturated CaSO4, which is around 0.005 M - almost 2000 times higher than what is required required for the CaCO3 to start precipitate (assuming above concentration of CO32-).
 

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