How does corona discharge create leakage current?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of corona discharge and its relationship to leakage current in electrical circuits. Participants explore the mechanisms of how corona discharge occurs, the visualization of current paths, and the nature of the ionized air involved in the process. The scope includes theoretical and conceptual aspects of electrical discharge phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how electrons complete the loop during corona discharge, given that it primarily ionizes air in the immediate vicinity.
  • One participant references a plasma ball as an analogy but expresses confusion about the direction of electron movement.
  • There is a suggestion that corona discharge could be modeled as a nonlinear resistance or as a series of resistances that increase with distance from the electrode.
  • Another viewpoint indicates that corona discharge requires AC or RF voltage, with current flowing from the conductor into the capacitance formed with the surrounding environment.
  • A participant provides a visualization of the process, describing ionization of neutral atoms and the subsequent recombination of free electrons and ionized atoms, suggesting that there is no net current but rather a neutral plasma state.
  • One post raises a related question about the nature of current flow in electromagnetic waves and displacement current, drawing parallels to the challenges of visualizing current paths in vacuum conditions.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and visualization of corona discharge, with no consensus on how the current path is established or the implications of the phenomena discussed. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of the current flow and the modeling of corona discharge.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding and the complexity of visualizing the interactions involved in corona discharge. There are unresolved questions about the exact nature of current paths and the role of ionized air.

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Where is the current path during corona discharge since the conductive channel doesn't completely bridge the electrodes?
In a normal circuit it's easy enough to visualize the path electrons take through a wire. Even considering leakage current in a capacitor, it's easy enough to visualize a large parallel resistance that current "leaks" through. Is there such a way to visualize corona discharge? I get that it creates leakage current but if it's only ionizing air in the immediate area, how do the electrons complete the loop?
 
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would it be represented as a nonlinear resistance? Or like several series resistances where the resistance increases as you move away from the electrode?
 
As far as I can see, it requires an AC or RF voltage and the current flows from the conductor into the capacitance formed between the conductor and the rest of the Universe.
 
I'm stretching here. This is not my expertise. But I visualize it like this.

Start with neutral atoms. Some of them are ionized by the powerful electric field gradient. Now we have some free electrons (-) and ionized atoms (+) in a neutral plasma. They move around. When they get far enough away from the wire, they recombine into neutral atoms (not necessarily the same electron recombing with its original atom). When they recombine, they emit light which is the glow of the corona.

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So there is no net current. Just atoms ionizing and recombining, with a neutral plasma in between.
 
newengr said:
Summary:: Where is the current path during corona discharge since the conductive channel doesn't completely bridge the electrodes?

how do the electrons complete the loop?
Sorry for the diversion, although interesting (to me, LOL) and somewhat related to your question.

How do EM waves propagate through the vacuum of space? There are no wires. Does current flow away from the antenna that launches them?
What is displacement current? How does "electricity" flow across the gap of a vacuum capacitor? What if you can't easily "see" the other plate?

There are lots of good demos on YouTube of Tesla coils and such.
 

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