How to maximize the efficiency of the corona discharge generator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around maximizing the efficiency of a corona discharge generator, specifically using a Wimshurst electrostatic generator. Participants explore the effects of removing metal spheres on the corona discharge, the characteristics of the discharge, and methods to determine charge polarity.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether removing the metal spheres would still allow for corona discharge primarily at the tip of the conducting part and whether it would be stronger.
  • Another participant suggests that removing the spheres would still result in discharge at the tip but believes it would not be stronger, although this is presented as an educated guess without supporting evidence.
  • A third participant elaborates that discharge occurs at spots of high curvature and proposes replacing the spheres with a sharp point to enhance corona discharge, noting that while voltage may decrease, current density would increase at the tip.
  • Methods for determining which conductor part will be negatively charged are discussed, including the use of a Neon lamp as a polarity tester.
  • Several participants ask basic questions about corona discharge, indicating a range of familiarity with the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on whether removing the spheres would strengthen the corona discharge, as participants present differing views and assumptions. Basic questions about corona discharge indicate varying levels of understanding among participants.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the effects of modifications to the generator and the definitions of "stronger" in the context of corona discharge. There are also unresolved questions regarding the visibility of corona discharge under different conditions.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in electrostatics, corona discharge phenomena, and practical applications of electrostatic generators may find this discussion relevant.

Christofer Br
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Hi, I have a wirmhurst electrostatic generator and I want to use it to create a corona discharge. My common sense tells me that the metal "shaft", which connects to the metal spheres should lead to significant (electron) leak, since it has a much smaller radius of curvature than said spheres. If I removed those spheres, would the corona discharge still be present mainly at the "tip" of the conducting part and would it be stronger, or are those metal spheres actually helping to concentrate the corona discharge in one spot?

Also, how to know which of the two conductor parts will be nagetively charged?
 
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I'm sorry you didn't attract any answers.
Christofer Br said:
If I removed those spheres, would the corona discharge still be present mainly at the "tip" of the conducting part

I believe that the answers to that is, "Yes"

Christofer Br said:
would it be stronger,
No.

But I do not have references or calculations to support those answers. They are just educated guesses.
 
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To expand on the correct responses from @anorlunda:
Christofer Br said:
If I removed those spheres, would the corona discharge still be present mainly at the "tip" of the conducting part and would it be stronger
As you are aware, the most discharge will be at spots of high curvature. This is because the strength of the electric field is higher there. The ball electrodes are used to keep the electric field lower so enough voltage can build up to jump the spark gap. Since you are after a corona discharge, replace the balls with a sharp point; you could even just tape a sewing needle to the existing balls!

As for the corona discharger being "stronger", that depends on how you define stronger. The voltage will be lower but the current density will be higher, that is the current will be concentrated at the tip of the needles. If you want a higher current, try spinning the Wimshurst disks faster.

Christofer Br said:
Also, how to know which of the two conductor parts will be nagetively charged?

You can use a Neon lamp to test polarity, one of those $5 electrical testers to check if a wall outlet has power would work. A Neon lamp is sometimes called a "negative glow lamp." It is a glass enclosure with a wire brought out from each of two electrodes, and the enclosure is filled with Neon gas and sealed. When a DC voltage is applied the Neon gas will glow at the Negative electrode. Also, the video below shows (at 9:06) how to get a Wimshurst "started" or "charged", this approach may enable you to set the desired polarity.
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NEON TESTER

157 000 hits found with: https://www.google.com/search?&q=wimshurst+machine

A rather detailed explanation:


Cheers,
Tom
 

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Hello
What is Corona how it work
 
Hello
How to watch corona in real life on wire
 
RITESHH KAKKAR said:
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How to watch corona in real life on wire

That's a very good question. If you have a high voltage (such as 500KV) power transmission line near you, go out on a dark night and watch.

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Also, search for "corona discharge" on Youtube. There are several videos.
 

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Is it seen by Camera or simple eyes
 

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