How Does Current Direction and Charge Flow in a Solenoid-Wire System?

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The discussion revolves around a solenoid not connected to an ideal voltage source, with specific parameters including its radius, number of loops per meter, and resistance. The problem involves determining the direction of current in a wire loop surrounding the solenoid and the total charge flowing through a resistor when the voltage source is connected.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the direction of the magnetic field created by the solenoid and its implications for current flow in the wire. There are questions about how to determine when current ceases to flow and the relationship between charge and magnetic flux.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about magnetic field direction and current flow. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of Faraday's law of induction, and there is recognition of a misunderstanding related to the calculation of change in flux.

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There is a mention of constraints regarding the understanding of current flow over time and the implications of the number of loops in calculations. Participants are also navigating the complexities of integrating concepts from electromagnetic theory.

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Homework Statement


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A solenoid is not connected to an ideal voltage source.
Its radius is 0.05m, it has 800 loops per meter and its resistance is 0.2Ω. ε=120V.
Around the solenoid we bind two loops of a wire. The loops are attached to a resistor with the resistance of 0.8Ω.
Suddenly, we connect the voltage source.
What is the direction of the current in the wire?
What is the total amount of charge that flows through the resistor?

Homework Equations


B=μ0nI.
ε=IR

The Attempt at a Solution


I succesfully calculated that the change in the flux would be -9.47*10-3Wb.
Regarding the first question, I thought that inside the solenoid a magnetic field is created pointing to the right (but I am really not sure about it). So the wire will have to create a magnetic flux pointing to the left, and that in order to do so the current will have to flow from A to B.
Regarding the second question, I simply don't understand how can we know when current will not flow anymore in the wire? When does it stop and why?
 

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Eitan Levy said:
Regarding the first question, I thought that inside the solenoid a magnetic field is created pointing to the right (but I am really not sure about it).
Yes. If you want to check your understanding of this, please explain how you deduced the direction of the field of the solenoid.

So the wire will have to create a magnetic flux pointing to the left, and that in order to do so the current will have to flow from A to B.
Yes.
Regarding the second question, I simply don't understand how can we know when current will not flow anymore in the wire? When does it stop and why?
It is interesting that you don't need to know the details of how the current changes with time. Hint: Integrate Faraday's law of induction.
 
TSny said:
Yes. If you want to check your understanding of this, please explain how you deduced the direction of the field of the solenoid.

Yes.
It is interesting that you don't need to know the details of how the current changes with time. Hint: Integrate Faraday's law of induction.

I reached this conclusion by rotating the solenoid by 90 degrees and then using the second right hand rule, definitely not the most simple way.
Okay, so I had this idea:
ε=N*Δ∅/Δt
ΔQ/Δt*R=N*Δ∅/Δt
ΔQ=N*Δ∅/R.
I thought that because we have 2 loops I need to multiply by N (by 2). However according to the book it's wrong (The correct answer is when you don't multiply by N), why?
Perhaps it's because I already multiplied by 2 when I calculated the flux?
 
Did you already multiply by 2 in finding the value of the change in flux that you stated in your first post?
 
TSny said:
Did you already multiply by 2 in finding the value of the change in flux that you stated in your first post?
Yes, I figured that was the problem.
 

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