How Much Current Should Flow Through My Electromagnet Experiment?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the creation of an electromagnet using an iron core solenoid, specifically focusing on calculating the current flowing through the electromagnet. The original poster mentions using a voltage of 3 volts and approximately 0.5 meters of 24 AWG copper wire.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the current using the resistance of the copper wire, expressing concern over an unexpectedly high current value of 300 A. They question whether they are missing additional resistance factors and consider using more wire to increase resistance.
  • Some participants inquire about the power source, specifically the internal resistance of the batteries being used, suggesting that this may not have been accounted for in the original calculation.
  • Further discussion includes looking up the internal resistance of D batteries and considerations regarding the practical limits of current flow in relation to battery discharge rates.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various factors affecting the current calculation, including internal resistance and practical implications of using the batteries. There is acknowledgment of the need to adjust calculations based on these considerations, with some participants indicating a shift in understanding regarding the initial current estimate.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is working within the constraints of a lab report and is seeking clarification on their calculations and assumptions regarding resistance and current flow in their electromagnet experiment.

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Homework Statement


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I am working on a lab report regarding the creation of an electromagnet using an iron core solenoid (just a nail wrapped with copper insulated wire). Before continuing with the creation of the electromagnet, I had to answer some questions regarding my knowledge of electromagnets.

One of those questions is asking how much current would be flowing through the electromagnet.

I know that the voltage is 3 volts, I am probably going to use about 0.5 meters of enameled 24 AWG copper wire.

Homework Equations



V = IR

R = ρL/A

The Attempt at a Solution



My attempt at this problem was simple. I thought that the only resistance would be the copper wire. To find the current, I used the equation:

I = (VA)/(ρL)

The problem I really had was that my value for current was close 300 A. I was worried to continue with the experiment knowing that 300 A are going through the wire. Am I missing something here? Is there some resistance I am not taking into account? Should I be using more wire?

I think the solution is to use much much more wire to create more resistance (maybe 5 m?), I just wanted to check if I'm right.
 
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lekh2003 said:
Is there some resistance I am not taking into account?
What power source are you using? Dry cells?
You should consider the internal resistance of the cell. It would be more than the copper resistance.
 
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cnh1995 said:
What power source are you using? Dry cells?
You should consider the internal resistance of the cell. It would be more than the copper resistance.

I'm using two D batteries in a generic D battery holder. How much internal resistance would a D battery have? (The battery is unused)
 
lekh2003 said:
I was worried to continue with the experiment knowing that 300 A are going through the wire. Am I missing something here? Is there some resistance I am not taking into account? Should I be using more wire?
You won't be able to keep the current flowing for long if it is a few amperes (forget 300A). The battery will quickly discharge. I believe these batteries are supposed to be used with electronic circuitry, where the current is of the order of a few mA.
 
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cnh1995 said:
You won't be able to keep the current flowing for long if it is a few amperes (forget 300A). The battery will quickly discharge. I believe these batteries are supposed to be used with electronic circuitry, where the current is of the order of a few mA.

I get it now, I can reason that the initial current calculation is not a representation of the entire experiment. I have done my calculations accounting for internal resistance and have gotten 14 A, which I can expect to decrease with time to an order of mA.

Thanks
 

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