How does external work affect the height of a bowling ball when pushed?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of external work on the height attained by a bowling ball when it is pushed. Participants explore the relationship between potential energy, kinetic energy, and the work-energy theorem in the context of this scenario.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how pushing a bowling ball can result in it rising higher than its original height, considering the principles of potential energy and conservation of energy.
  • Another participant applies the Law of Conservation of Energy, presenting an equation that relates initial and final potential and kinetic energies, suggesting that the bowling ball will return to the same speed it was pushed with.
  • The same participant discusses the maximum height the bowling ball could reach if it were to swing back, providing a formula for calculating this height based on initial conditions.
  • A later reply suggests that the energy from the push must exceed the energy required for the ball to return to its original height, implying a need for additional energy input.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple views on the relationship between work, energy, and height remain present, with some focusing on the conservation of energy while others emphasize the need for additional energy from the push.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding neglecting air drag and the conditions under which the bowling ball is pushed, which may affect the outcomes discussed.

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Ok so when one drops a bowling ball hanging from a rope, it won't come back and smack him in the face. This I can understand, due to potential energy of gravity and conservation of energy. However when someone pushes the bowling ball, how can you show that it will rise higher than the original height and hit the person in the face? Is there a Work external or is it the Kinetic Energy starting out the Work-Energy Theorem?
 
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Law of Conservation of Energy

If you push a bowling ball of mass m from some initial height, hi, so that it starts out with some initial velocity, v, then, applying the Law of Conservation of Energy, we have: PEi + KEi = PEf + KEf, or equivalently: mghi + (1/2)mvi2 = mghf + (1/2)mvf2 + E"lost". If we neglect air drag, we can discard the E"lost" term.

We want to know what's happening when the bowling ball returns to you at hi, so our initial and final states are both taken to be at height hi, the height from which it was pushed.

mghi + (1/2)mvi2 = mghi + (1/2)mvf2

Subtracting the gravitational potential energy from both states reveals that the kinetic energy of the bowling ball as it returns to you is the same as that when it leaves your hands, so it will hit you at the same speed you pushed it.

You may wonder how high the bowling ball would swing if you managed to get out of its way. To solve this, acknowledge that the bowling ball's maximum height, hmax, is attained when all of its energy is in the form of gravitational potential energy, with no kinetic energy remaining. So, mghi + (1/2)mvi2 = mghmax. Dividing both sides by m, we have ghi + (1/2)vi2 = ghmax. To get a nice expression for hmax, divide both sides by g, and then multiply both the top and bottom of the resulting expression by 2, yielding hmax = (2ghi + vi2)/(2g).
 
Thank you so much, this was a great help.
 
Welcome to PF;
Looks a lot like homework to me - so you are lucky that someone was prepared to do all that work for you.
The short answer is that the energy added from the push has to be higher than the energy shortfall from what is needed to bounce back to the right height.
 

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