How Does Hadlock Prove Every Polynomial of Degree n Has a Symmetric Group Sn?

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The discussion revolves around Hadlock's proof that for every polynomial of degree n, there exists a symmetric group S(n). Participants are exploring the concepts of irreducibility, Galois groups, and the application of Hilbert's irreducibility theorem within this context.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on the connection between Hadlock's use of rational coefficients and the irreducibility of the polynomial over the field F.
  • Another participant notes the ambiguity in the original question and emphasizes the importance of understanding Hadlock's assertion that for every positive integer n, there exists an irreducible polynomial with Galois group S(n).
  • A later reply questions the significance of Hilbert's irreducibility theorem in Hadlock's proof and its implications for the connection between the coefficients and the irreducibility of the polynomial.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the proof and its components, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the clarity and implications of Hadlock's approach.

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Some participants mention limitations in accessing the specific text, which may affect their understanding of the proof's details and the context of Theorem 37.

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Can anyone explain the idea behind Hadlock's proof that there is an Sn for every poly of degree n? Theorem 37 page 217
I can follow how to build up G from F using symmetric functions and the primitive element theorem. A lso I get the idea of constructing a poly of deg n! from one of deg n. But he starts with rationals beta1 etc to make G irreducible and I don't see the connection back down to F.
 
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I'm sorry you are not generating any responses at the moment. Is there any additional information you can share with us? Any new findings?
 
Your question is a little vague to me, especially since I do not have the book, and Amazon does not allow searching Theorem 37 on page 217. They do show p. 216, lemma 37f, where Hadlock proves irreducibility of F however. What is it about F that you want to know?

Your question is also a bit muddled. Hadlock is apparently proving that for every positive integer n, there is a polynomial of degree n, which is irreducible over Q and has Galois group S(n).

The idea is apparently to find such a polynomial with variable coefficients and then specialize the coefficients carefully so the result remains irreducible.
 
Hope I can make my question clearer: Why does the first line of Hadlock's proof begin "By Hilbert's irreducibility theorem..."?

ie Hadlock starts with rationals beta1 etc to make G irreducible and I don't see the connection back down to F.
 

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