How Does Heat Transfer Affect Engine Block Surface Temperatures?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the surface temperature of a cast iron engine block based on internal temperatures and heat transfer principles. It explores the effects of thermal resistance and convective heat transfer, considering both conduction through the material and convection to the surrounding air.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to calculate the approximate surface temperature of a 1/2" thick cast iron engine block given an internal temperature of 260°F.
  • Another participant clarifies the request, asking if the surface temperature and air temperature above the block are needed.
  • A different participant notes that the cast iron acts as an insulator, suggesting the surface temperature will be lower than the internal temperature, but does not provide a specific value.
  • One participant introduces the concept of thermal resistance, explaining that the temperature difference depends on the material's thermal resistance and heat flow, and highlights the complexity introduced by varying air temperatures above the block.
  • Another participant describes the problem as a combined heat transfer issue, providing equations for conduction and convection, and suggests that the outer surface temperature could be approximately 259°F based on certain assumptions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specifics of the temperature calculations and the assumptions involved. There is no consensus on the exact surface temperature or the impact of varying conditions, such as air temperature and heat flow rates.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions include neglecting radiant heat transfer and modeling the engine block as a horizontal plate. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the convective heat transfer coefficient and the thermal conductivity of cast iron, which are not explicitly defined in the thread.

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This is the scenario..

I have a engine and the block is made of cast iron which is 1/2" thick.

The internal temperature of the engine within the cooling passages is 260° F

Is there a way to calculate an approximate surface temperature on the outside of the engine block? If so, what would the temperature be?

Say that there was another cooling passage on the other side.. if the passage behind the 1/2" of iron was 260°, what would be the second cooling passages temperature?
 
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So let me get this straight, as I'm not familiar with engine terms

you want the surface temperature of the 1/2 cast iron, and the air temperature a certain point above this surface?
 
No, not really. The cast iron will act as a insulator, so the surfice teperature on the outside of the block will be less than on the inside of the block. I'm just wanting to know how much less.
 
This is a thermal resistance question.
The temperature difference depends on the thermal resistance of the material and the heat flow. You can look up the temperature difference across a given thickness of cast iron for a given heat flow.

The complication comes when the temperature of the material on the other side isn't controlled. Suppose you want to know the temperature of air above the engine block.
Initially it is cold and you have a certain temperature difference across the cast iron, you can then work out the heat flow. But this heat flow will heat the air and so reduce the temperature difference, which will reduce the heat flow. Eventually the air is the same temperature as the inside of the engine then there is no temperature difference and so no heat flow.
because of this, the most important factor is the rate of new cold air arriving at the outside of the engine.
 
This is a combined heat transfer problem i.e. heat is conducted through the engine block and convected off the block by natural convection. It requires several simplifying assumptions such as:

* The engine block is modled as a horizontal plat with heated surface facing up
*The ambient room temperature is 80 degrees F
*You can neglect radiant heat transfer

q-conduction=q-convection

q-conduction= k*A/L(260-Ts)

q-convection= ho*A(Ts-80)

ho is the convective heat transfer coef (about 1.215 Btu/(hr*ft^2*F) for this problem) requires formulas for natural convection available in any Heat transfer text

k is thermal conductivity for cast iron

L is cast iron thickness in ft

Given the thin engine block wall and high conductivity of cast iron the outer surface of the engine block will be about 259 F
 

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