How Does High Voltage Affect the Charging of Mylar Film?

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The discussion focuses on the effects of high voltage on Mylar film, particularly regarding its charging behavior under both DC and AC conditions. Participants explore the speed of charging, long-term charging processes, breakdown voltages, and methods for measuring internal electric fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Yan, inquires about the charging speed of a 6um thick Mylar film under 500VDC and whether there is a long-term charging process that can be measured.
  • Another participant shares past experiences with 0.003 inch thick Mylar, noting that surface arcs occurred even minutes after applying DC voltage, and mentions a breakdown voltage of 20,000 volts DC for that thickness.
  • It is suggested that Mylar may break down at lower AC voltages, with a claim that 0.152 mil Mylar could fail below 200 volts at 60 hertz.
  • Xiang raises a point about the dependence of breakdown AC voltage on frequency, mentioning successful tests at 900Vpp with a frequency of ~60kHz.
  • Xiang also asks for methods to measure the internal electric field once the film is charged.
  • Carl responds that he does not know how to measure the internal electric field but mentions that it can manifest as dielectric absorption in Mylar capacitors.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the breakdown voltages and the effects of frequency on Mylar film, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the measurement of internal electric fields or the specifics of long-term charging processes.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about breakdown voltages and the methods for measuring internal electric fields, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Hi,
I was studying the effect of high voltage on the properties of Mylar film.
The voltage input can be both DC (around several hundred volts to 1000V) and AC (same level as DC).
The Mylar film is very thin, 6um, I know the film is going to be charged, but I don't know
1. how fast the film charges ? suppose you have 500VDC on a 6um thick film.
2. and is there a long term charging process going on too, how can I measure this effects ??

Anybody can help ? Thanks

Yan
 
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Did some tests on 0.003 inch thick Mylar years ago:

Used DC and there were surface arcs on Mylar many minutes after DC voltage was set.
Mylar didn't break down due to surface arcs.
Breakdown voltage for 0.003 inch thick Mylar was 20,000 volt DC.

Mylar breaks down at low AC voltage.
6 um is 0.236 mil, 0.000236 inch. (If math is correct)
0.152 mil Mylar will probably fail well below 200 volt, 60 hertz.

Measuring charging current can be done by measuring the current. This will require some pretty elaborate equipment.

Sounds like a fun project.
Good Luck.
 
Thanks,

The breakdown AC voltage may be dependent on frequency, I use quite high frequency ~60kHz, and it seems OK until 900Vpp.

Once the film is charged, it has some internal E field, do you have some idea to measure this E field ?

Appreciate your help
Xiang
 
Do not know how to measure internal E field.

However results of internal E field manifests itself as dielectric absorption when Mylar capacitors are used.
You could Google dielectric absorption and see if it answers any of your questions.

Good Luck
Carl
 

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