How Does Length Contraction Affect Train Wheel Rotation at Near Light Speeds?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the implications of length contraction on the rotation of train wheels when traveling at speeds approaching the speed of light. Participants explore the theoretical aspects of relativity, particularly how length contraction affects physical objects and their mechanical functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that length contraction occurs only in the horizontal direction for objects moving at relativistic speeds, raising questions about the mechanics of rotating wheels.
  • One participant emphasizes that all motion is relative, suggesting that length contraction is not absolute and depends on the observer's frame of reference.
  • Another point raised is that length contraction does not imply deformation of the object; the train operates normally from its own perspective, regardless of its speed relative to an observer.
  • Concerns are expressed about the mechanical feasibility of a train moving at near light speed, with one participant stating that such a scenario presents a mechanical impossibility.
  • Participants discuss the implications of rigid rotation at relativistic speeds, noting that traditional concepts may not apply.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanical implications of length contraction and the feasibility of trains moving at relativistic speeds. No consensus is reached regarding the practical effects on wheel rotation.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in understanding the mechanics of objects at relativistic speeds, particularly regarding the concept of rigid rotation and the nature of length contraction.

Sentosa
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There's a section in my astronomy book on relativity. The image shows a train traveling at a slow speed and a second image of the train approaching the speed of light. The text says the second train is length contracted, but only in the horizontal direction. In the vertical direction the train is not length contracted. If this is the case, then how can the wheels continue to rotate? Take a look at the image; they're obviously not circular.

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Sentosa said:
There's a section in my astronomy book on relativity. The image shows a train traveling at a slow speed and a second image of the train approaching the speed of light. The text says the second train is length contracted, but only in the horizontal direction. In the vertical direction the train is not length contracted. If this is the case, then how can the wheels continue to rotate? Take a look at the image; they're obviously not circular.

There are two important points in answer to your question.

First, all motion is relative. So, in fact, there is no such thing as something moving near the speed of light. Only moving near the speed of light relative to something else.

If you imagine those particles at CERN that have been accelerated to near the speed of light. In their reference we are all moving at near the speed of light, so we are all length contracted, as are all our trains.

Length contraction is, therefore, not absolute but relative.

Second, it follows from the above, that length contraction does not involve any inherent deformation in an object. The train has no idea that it is length contracted in another reference frame, so functions mechanically normally.
 
PeroK said:
Second, it follows from the above, that length contraction does not involve any inherent deformation in an object. The train has no idea that it is length contracted in another reference frame, so functions mechanically normally.
Note however that a train moving at near light speed relative to us on a track that is at rest relative to us will have its wheels spinning at a ferocious rate. The wheels are neither at rest with respect to the train nor at rest with respect to us. Indeed, there is no inertial frame in which the wheels are at rest. Their shape in the drawing is an artists conception, not something that should be taken seriously.

The notion of rigid rotation is one that works at low speed but which has difficulties at relativistic speeds.
 
@jbriggs444
It's a good point. A train traveling at near light speed relative to the track is effectively a mechanical impossibility.
 

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