How does light reflect off a moving angled mirror?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of light reflecting off a moving angled mirror, specifically examining how the angle of reflection and frequency of the light change when the mirror is in motion. The scope includes theoretical considerations, mathematical reasoning, and implications of relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that when a beam of light strikes a moving mirror, the reflection angle may differ from the expected right angle due to the mirror's motion, suggesting a formula involving arctan(c/v).
  • Another participant notes that both the angle and frequency of the light will change, emphasizing the need to derive the outgoing angle based on the electric field interactions of the incoming and outgoing waves.
  • A later reply expands on the previous points, discussing the relative velocity of the beam and the mirror, indicating that the angle of incidence should be adjusted based on the mirror's motion.
  • Concerns are raised about treating light as an object traveling at speed c, with one participant mentioning potential errors in calculations related to gravity and refraction, and questioning how relativity affects the analysis, particularly regarding the relativistic Doppler shift.
  • Another participant suggests that the best approach may involve analyzing the situation in terms of electromagnetic waves rather than treating light as a particle.

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Participants express differing views on the treatment of light and the implications of the mirror's motion, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus on the correct approach or outcome.

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Limitations include unresolved mathematical steps regarding the derivation of the outgoing angle and the dependence on definitions of light behavior in different contexts (e.g., particle vs. wave). The discussion also highlights the complexities introduced by relativistic effects.

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Let c be the speed of light. I have a mirror in the north facing me but angled at 45 degrees north of east. I shoot a beam of light north towards it. But right before I send the beam the mirror has a velocity v towards the east. When the beam strikes the mirror does it reflect off at a right angle from the direction the beam was first shot (like it does when the mirror is not moving) or does it reflect off the mirror a different angle [like 90-arctan(c/v) degrees south of east]?
 
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Both the angle and frequency will change, but I'm not feeling up to deriving the actual formula right now. Basically, the electric field in the outgoing wave must perfectly cancel the electric field in the incoming wave. If you consider a polarized, monochromatic, coherent plane wave, you should be able to derive the outgoing angle.
 
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Both the angle and frequency will change, but I'm not feeling up to deriving the actual formula right now. Basically, the electric field in the outgoing wave must perfectly cancel the electric field in the incoming wave. If you consider a polarized, monochromatic, coherent plane wave, you should be able to derive the outgoing angle.
Thanks! I was thinking more towards the topics of relative velocity and angle of incidence = angle of reflection. For example, if a beam moves north while a mirror, who begins perpendicular to the source (or facing it), moves east at velocity v then the velocity of the beam relative to the mirror would be (-v,c) making the angle of incidence arctan(c/|v|).
But if the mirror starting off tilted at 45 degrees north of east then the angle of incidence would be pi/4+arctan(c/|v|).
 
There are some fundamental problems with treating light as an "object" traveling at c. Sometimes it works out. Others, it gives you an error by some fixed factor, like the light beam being bent by gravity, the angle will be exactly 2 times off. Sometimes you get the exact opposite effect, like in refraction, where the light would bend the other way if it behaved like a particle.

There are also concerns with relativity. How does you approach account for relativistic Doppler shift when v->c?

Usually the best approach is to byte the bullet and work out what will happen to an electromagnetic wave.
 

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