How Does Non-Relativistic Holography Apply to Condensed Matter Systems?

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The discussion revolves around the application of non-relativistic holography to condensed matter systems, particularly in relation to the Quantum Hall Effect and the connection to non-relativistic theories of gravity, such as Newton-Cartan. Participants explore the implications of the AdS/CFT correspondence in this context, questioning the expected relationships between strongly and weakly coupled theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the application of holography to non-relativistic condensed matter systems and questions the expected duality between strongly and weakly coupled theories.
  • Another participant notes the lack of an explicit embedding in string theory for the examples discussed, which contributes to the confusion regarding the relationship between couplings.
  • A participant discusses the implications of a particle in free fall in a Newtonian gravitational field, suggesting that non-relativistic conditions imply weak gravitational coupling.
  • There is a challenge to the association of strongly-coupled theories with ultra-relativistic frameworks and weakly-coupled theories with non-relativistic ones, arguing that this is not necessarily correct.
  • One participant proposes that a non-relativistic Gauge/Gravity correspondence could be achieved by taking the limit of both theories as velocity approaches zero, although they express uncertainty about how to implement this.
  • Another participant elaborates on the distinction between strong coupling and non-relativistic conditions, suggesting that one can be in a strong gravitational field while moving slowly, thus not being in free fall.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationships between non-relativistic and relativistic theories, as well as the implications of coupling strengths. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of the correspondence and the conditions under which it applies.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of explicit embeddings in string theory for the discussed examples, which may affect the understanding of the couplings involved. Additionally, the discussion highlights unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of strong and weak coupling in the context of non-relativistic systems.

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Dear all,

I'm a bit confused about non-relativistic applications of holography, like e.g. in

https://arxiv.org/pdf/0812.0530v1.pdf

and

https://arxiv.org/abs/1306.0638

In these papers people try to connect holographically non-relativistic condensed matter systems, like the Quantum Hall Effect, to backgrounds in the bulk exhibiting non-relativistic isometries or non-relativistic theories of gravity, like Newton-Cartan. But in the AdS/CFT correspondence we have a duality between strongly coupled and weakly coupled theories. Shouldn't one expect to describe non-relativistic condensed matter systems by ultra-relativistic theories of gravity and vice versa? It probably has to do something with the fact that the correspondence involves the 't Hooft coupling. Can anyone comment on my confusion? Many thanks!
 
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Also, the explicit embedding in string theory in these examples is not known, so one does not have an explicit relation between the two couplings. But still my confusion stands.
 
Take e.g. a particle in free fall in a Newtonian gravitational field. Non-relativistic means than v/c << 1, which implies a weak gravitational coupling, right?
 
haushofer said:
Shouldn't one expect to describe non-relativistic condensed matter systems by ultra-relativistic theories of gravity and vice versa?
Are you associating strongly-coupled with ultra-relativistic and weakly-coupled with non-relativistic? If yes, that's not correct!

It seems to me that a non-relativistic Gauge/Gravity correspondence can be achieved by taking the ## \frac v c \to 0 ## limit of both theories, among other limits. But I don't know how to actually do it!
 
Shayan.J said:
Are you associating strongly-coupled with ultra-relativistic and weakly-coupled with non-relativistic? If yes, that's not correct!
I could of course move very slowly in a strong gravitational field, but then I would not be in free fall (not moving on a geodesic). So in that sense i see that "strongly coupled" does not necessarily imply "non-relativistic". Something similar can be formulated in a field-theoretical (instead of particle) context. So I guess this is what a strongly coupled but non-relativistic field theory should look like.
 

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