How Does Quantum Uncertainty Define the Position of a Positron?

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The discussion revolves around the quantum uncertainty principle as it applies to the position of a positron, given its measured velocities in three dimensions. Participants are exploring how to calculate the minimum volume in which the positron could be located based on these measurements.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between velocity measurements and the uncertainty in position, referencing the uncertainty principle. There are attempts to derive a formula for minimum volume based on these velocities. Questions arise regarding dimensional consistency and whether the calculated volume represents the full space or a fraction of it.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the dimensional analysis of the results and the assumptions made in the calculations. Some participants are reconsidering their approaches and clarifying the implications of using vector forms in the context of quantum mechanics.

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There is uncertainty regarding the independence of measurement errors and how this affects the overall calculations. Participants are also discussing the implications of using different forms of the uncertainty principle in their reasoning.

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The velocity of a positron is measured to be: ##v_x = (4.00 \pm 0.18)10^5## m/sec, ##v_y = (0.34 \pm 0.12) 10^5## m/sec, ##v_z = (1.41 \pm 0.08) 10^5 ## m/sec. Within what minimum volume was the positron located at the moment the measurement was carried out?

So, let's assumed ##v_i = (v_i \pm \Delta v_i)##. We can say that, for minimum values, $$\Delta X_i \Delta v_i = \hbar / (2m)$$.

$$\Delta X_i = \frac{\hbar}{2 m \Delta v_i} \implies V_{min} = \Delta X \Delta Y \Delta Z = \frac{\hbar}{2 \Delta v_x m } \frac{\hbar}{2 \Delta v_y m} \frac{\hbar}{2 \Delta v_z m} = (\frac{\hbar}{2m})^3 \frac{1}{ \Delta v_x \Delta v_y \Delta v_z}$$

Where, for example, ##|\Delta v_x| = 0.18*10^5##

Is that right?
 
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Where are your units and does your result make sense dimensionally
 
Orodruin said:
Where are your units and does your result make sense dimensionally
Ops, i forgot i should have been used momentum. Wait a minut, will edit it.
 
Does that give the full volume or only one eighth?
 
haruspex said:
Does that give the full volume or only one eighth?
I don't know? At least i think it should give the full volume. But i am asking Because i am not sure of my answer also.
 
Herculi said:
I don't know? At least i think it should give the full volume. But i am asking Because i am not sure of my answer also.
Your ##\Delta X_i## are ##\pm##, so aren't the sides of the cube ##2\Delta X_i##?
As to whether your approach is in itself correct I do not know. I have never been able to find a description of quantum physics that uses vectors, so I could have believed the vector form was ##\Delta\vec x.\Delta\vec p\geq\frac\hbar 2##, or maybe ##\Delta\vec x.\Delta\vec p\geq 3\frac\hbar 2##
 
Naive ? If the errors in the measurements are independent, don't we get ##|v| = (4.25\pm0.25)\ \times 10^5 ## m/s ? And take it from there ?
 
BvU said:
Naive ? If the errors in the measurements are independent, don't we get ##|v| = (4.25\pm0.25)\ \times 10^5 ## m/s ? And take it from there ?
No, that would not represent the situation fully as you also have bounds on the direction. The easiest is to work in the three independent directions, noting that the uncertainty relation holds in each of these.
 
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