Electron equations of motion through an uniform magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the motion of an electron in a uniform magnetic field, specifically analyzing the differential equations governing its trajectory and the implications for its kinetic energy. The subject area includes electromagnetism and classical mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of the Lorentz Force and its components, questioning the assumptions made about the velocity components of the electron. There is a focus on setting up the correct differential equations for the motion of the electron.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on correctly decomposing the Lorentz Force and setting up the differential equations. Multiple interpretations of the equations are being explored, with attempts to derive the motion equations and discuss the implications for kinetic energy.

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There are ongoing discussions about the assumptions regarding the electron's weight and the components of its velocity, as well as the conservation of kinetic energy in the context of the forces acting on the electron.

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Homework Statement



An electron enters a zone of uniform magnetic field [tex]\vec B = 0,4T{\rm{ }}\hat j[/tex] with velocity [tex]{\vec V_0} = {10^5}m/s{\rm{ }}\hat i[/tex]. Find the differential equations that govern its motion through the field, and solve them to find the equations of motion. What happens to its kinetic energy?

Homework Equations



- Lorentz Force = [tex]q\vec V \otimes \vec B[/tex]
- Newton's Second Law = [tex]\sum {\vec F} = m\frac{{{\partial ^2}\vec r}}{{\partial {t^2}}}[/tex]
- Conservation of Kinetic Energy = [tex]\Delta {E_k} = {W_{all{\rm{ }}forces}}[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the answer should be that the electron's trajectory is a circle. But I can't get there through the differential equations:

If I don't take the electron's weight into account, I have that the only force acting upon it is the Lorentz Force. Using Newton's Second Law:

[tex]\vec F = q\vec V \otimes \vec B = m\frac{{d\vec V}}{{dt}}[/tex]
-[tex]0 = m\frac{{d{V_x}}}{{dt}}[/tex]
-[tex]0 = m\frac{{d{V_y}}}{{dt}}[/tex]
-[tex]q{V_x}B = m\frac{{d{V_z}}}{{dt}}[/tex]

Then

-[tex]{V_x} = {10^5}m/s[/tex]
-[tex]{V_y} = 0[/tex]
-[tex]\frac{{q{V_x}B}}{m}t = {V_z}[/tex]

I know there's something wrong: since the only force acting upon the electron is the Lorentz Force, being a central force (perpendicular to the trajectory), it doesn't do any work, the kinetic energy conserves and therefore the module of V should be constant. Which doesn't happen if the solution I found is true (I know it's wrong).

What's wrong with my resolution?

Thanks.
 
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You can not assume that the x component of the velocity stays constant. Decompose the Lorentz force into all components, assuming non-zero components of velocity, and discuss what you got.

ehild
 
You say that instead of keeping the Lorentz Force this way:

[tex]\vec F = q\vec V \otimes \vec B = q{V_x}B{\rm{ }}\hat i[/tex]

I should rewrite the Lorentz Force this way?:

[tex]\vec F = q\vec V \otimes \vec B = q\left| {\begin{array}{*{20}{c}}<br /> {\hat i} & {\hat j} & {\hat k} \\<br /> {{V_x}} & {{V_y}} & {{V_z}} \\<br /> 0 & B & 0 \\<br /> \end{array}} \right| = - q{V_z}B{\rm{ }}\hat i + q{V_x}B{\rm{ }}\hat k[/tex]
 
It is correct. Now you can set up the differential equations for Vx, Vy and Vz.

ehild
 
Could somebody correct me if I'm wrong?

Given the new set of differential equations:

[tex]\begin{array}{l}<br /> \frac{{d{V_x}}}{{dt}} = \frac{{q{V_z}B}}{m} \\ <br /> \frac{{d{V_y}}}{{dt}} = 0 \\ <br /> \frac{{d{V_z}}}{{dt}} = \frac{{q{V_x}B}}{m} \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

I calculate:

[tex]\begin{array}{l}<br /> {V_z} = \left( {\frac{{d{V_x}}}{{dt}}} \right)\frac{m}{{qB}} \\ <br /> {V_y} = 0 \\ <br /> \frac{{d{V_z}}}{{dt}} = \frac{{q{V_x}B}}{m} \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

[tex]\begin{array}{l}<br /> {V_z} = \left( {\frac{{d{V_x}}}{{dt}}} \right)\frac{m}{{qB}} \\ <br /> {V_y} = 0 \\ <br /> \frac{{d\left( {\frac{{d{V_x}}}{{dt}}\frac{m}{{qB}}} \right)}}{{dt}} = \frac{{q{V_x}B}}{m} \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

[tex]\begin{array}{l}<br /> {V_z} = \left( {\frac{{d{V_x}}}{{dt}}} \right)\frac{m}{{qB}} \\ <br /> {V_y} = 0 \\ <br /> \frac{{{d^2}{V_x}}}{{d{t^2}}}\frac{m}{{qB}} = \frac{{q{V_x}B}}{m} \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

[tex]\begin{array}{l}<br /> {V_z} = \left( {\frac{{d{V_x}}}{{dt}}} \right)\frac{m}{{qB}} \\ <br /> {V_y} = 0 \\ <br /> \frac{{{d^2}{V_x}}}{{d{t^2}}} = \frac{{{q^2}{B^2}}}{{{m^2}}}{V_x} \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

I propose the solution for Vx (should I include the 50 that way?):

[tex]{V_x} = 50\cos \left( {\frac{{qB}}{m}t} \right)[/tex]

Then I solve that:

[tex]\begin{array}{l}<br /> {V_x} = 50\cos \left( {\frac{{qB}}{m}t} \right) \\ <br /> {V_y} = 0 \\ <br /> {V_z} = - 50\sin \left( {\frac{{qB}}{m}t} \right) \\ <br /> \end{array}<br /> [/tex]

I will get a similar expression for rx, ry and rz, which translates (I think) into the equation of a circle.

Is this OK?
 
Just a small mistake:

[tex] <br /> \frac{dV_x}{dt} = -\frac{qV_zB}{m} [/tex]

ehild
 
Thank you very much.
 

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