How Does Rocket Propulsion Calculation Work with Changing Mass?

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The discussion revolves around a rocket propulsion calculation involving changing mass and the application of the rocket equation. The original poster seeks clarification on the logarithmic component of the equation used to determine the rocket's final speed relative to Earth after fuel ejection.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the logarithmic expression ln(Mi/0.5Mi) and whether it simplifies correctly. Some participants question the interpretation of the natural logarithm and suggest alternative forms of the expression.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing clarifications on the logarithmic manipulation. There is an acknowledgment of different ways to express the logarithmic term, but no consensus on the overall calculation outcome has been reached.

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The problem is framed within the context of a homework assignment, which may impose specific constraints on the methods or approaches that can be used. The original poster expresses confusion about a particular step in the calculation, indicating a need for deeper understanding rather than a straightforward solution.

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Hello,
I am not understanding how the book got it's answer from the supplied rocket propulsion example.
"A rocket moving in free space has a speed of 3.0 x 10^3 m/s relative to the Earth. Its engines are turned on, and fuel is ejected in a direction opposite the rocket's motion at a speed of 5.0 x 10^3 m/s relative to the rocket. What is the speed of the rocket relative to the Earth once the rocket's mass is reduced to half its mass before ignition?"

The book uses the equations vf = vi + ve(ln(Mi/Mf)) to solve the problem where ve is exhaust velocity and Mi is initial mass of rocket plus fuel and Mf is final mass of rocket plus remaining fuel.

The example plugs in the known values to get:
3.0 x 10^3 m/s + (5.0 x 10^3 m/s)ln(Mi/0.5Mi) which equals 6.5 x 10^3 m/s.

I understand everything in the equation but the ln(Mi/0.5Mi) part. Because there are two "Mi"s, do they cancel out and leave you with ln(1/0.5)? By doing that, you come to another answer rather than the example's answer.

If anyone could clear this up for me, I would appreciate it. Thank you.
 
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1. Sure you used the natural logarithm?
2. If you did that already Try with ln(2) rather than ln(1/0.5) and see what you get.
 
webren said:
Because there are two "Mi"s, do they cancel out and leave you with ln(1/0.5)?
That is correct. You can write it either as ln(1) - ln(0.5) = -ln(0.5), or in a simpler way as ln(2). Both are same numerically.

By doing that, you come to another answer rather than the example's answer.
I get the example's answer by doing that.
 
Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.
 

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