How Does Rope Length Affect Tension in a Vertical Two-Mass System?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of rope length on tension in a vertical two-mass system, specifically in the context of a homework problem from a Classical Mechanics class. Participants explore the implications of gravitational forces and how they might vary with distance from the Earth's center.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the relevance of rope length in determining tension in a massless, stretchless rope, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of the problem's requirements.
  • Another participant proposes that the difference in gravitational acceleration experienced by the two masses due to their varying distances from the Earth's center could affect the tension, attributing this to tidal forces.
  • A further contribution notes that the closer mass experiences a slightly larger gravitational force, leading to a force imbalance that could create tension in the rope.
  • One participant suggests a specific formula for tension, T = GMm(1/R^2 - 1/(R+L)^2), indicating a mathematical approach to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of rope length in the context of tension, with some suggesting it plays a role due to gravitational differences, while others remain skeptical about its relevance. The discussion does not reach a consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the mass of the Earth and the nature of gravitational forces, as well as the approximation of the rope being massless and stretchless. The implications of these assumptions on the tension calculations are not fully resolved.

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In my Classical Mechanics class we are reviewing Newtonian Mechanics. He gave a homework assignment with a question that invloves tension and a rope.

The question is as follows

2 point-like objects, each with mass m, are connected by a massless, stretchless tope of length l. The objects are suspended vertically near the surface of the Earth, so that one object is hanging below the other, and then released. Find the tension in the rope after the objects are released. Use proper approximations to express the tension as a function of m, L, mass of the Earth M, radius of the Earth R, and gravitational constant G.

Find that is all good and dandy I used Newton's law of Gravitation so I could have the last few constants in there. But l?? Since when did the length of a massless, stretchless rope matter for tension?? Am I missing something??
 
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Since one object is closer to the Earth than another, the Earth accelerates them at different rates, hence the tension, which are the result of tidal forces. Normally, this effect is negligible near the Earth's surface, and especially since the Earth is not very massive.
 
so you have 2 point source each is at a different distance from the Earth centre. so the closer one will experience a *slightly* larger force, the force imbalance should give a tiny tension to string
 
is the answer T = GMm(1/R^2 - 1/(R+L)^2) ?
 

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