How Does Spring Compression Affect Block Motion on an Inclined Plane?

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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving a block sliding down an inclined plane, compressing a spring, and rebounding back up. Key points include calculating the block's speed at the bottom of the ramp, the work done by friction, and the block's behavior after rebounding. Participants express confusion about potential energy calculations and the role of friction, particularly in the transition between sliding down and up the ramp. The importance of correctly identifying energy forms at various points in the motion is emphasized. The conversation highlights the complexities of applying conservation of energy principles in scenarios involving springs and friction.
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Homework Statement


In the figure the block starts from rest at A, slides down the ramp, compresses the spring 0.75 meters, and goes back. The spring constant is 520 N/m, the block's mass is 12 kg, and the ramp is inclined at 30°. The horizontal part of the sliding is frictionless. If point A is 2 meters above the floor, (a) what is the block's speed at the bottom of the ramp? (b) How much work does friction do while the block descends the ramp? (c) After rebounding, the block starts back up the ramp. What is its speed at the bottom, heading up? (d) How far does it move back up the ramp? (Give a vertical distance.)
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Homework Equations


Wnonconservative forces = Change in KE + Change in PE

The Attempt at a Solution


for a.
in the equation Wnon = KE2 - KE1 + PE2 - PE1
where the initial is at the top of the ramp and the final is the point at which the spring is at its maximum compression
is PE2 = 1/2kx2? I think that should be the only component of PE2, I just wasn't sure. It gave a reasonable answer once I solved for everything, it just made me a bit nervous to have the only final potential energy of the box be that of the spring.

for c.
now Wnon = 0 so
Ui + Ki = Uf + Kf
where the initial is the point at which the spring is at its maximum compression and the final is the point at which the box begins heading up the ramp.
I was confused as to what Uf should be. It's mgy, but I'm not sure what to use for y. The box is beginning to head up the ramp but I'm unclear on whether it actually has an elevation at that point.
 

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For the part while the block is sliding down/up the ramp, you need to take friction into account.

Are you given a coefficient of friction?
 
No, but I solved for it. I did in part a and b, but in part c it said the horizontal bit was frictionless.
 
Ok, your work for a) looked like you had neglected friction.

In that case, when the box is just about to head up the ramp, its energy will be entirely in the form of kinetic energy.
 
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