How Does Spring Compression Affect Block Motion on an Inclined Plane?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block sliding down an inclined plane, compressing a spring, and then rebounding back up the ramp. The problem includes parameters such as the spring constant, mass of the block, angle of inclination, and initial height. Participants are exploring concepts related to energy conservation and the effects of friction on the block's motion.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are discussing the application of energy conservation principles, particularly how to account for potential energy in the spring and the effects of friction during the block's motion. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of potential energy at different points and the role of friction in the calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the energy transformations occurring as the block moves, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding friction and potential energy. There is an ongoing exploration of how to properly account for these factors in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of a coefficient of friction, which is relevant to the calculations of work done by friction. The problem specifies that the horizontal section of the ramp is frictionless, leading to further discussion about the implications of this on the overall energy considerations.

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Homework Statement


In the figure the block starts from rest at A, slides down the ramp, compresses the spring 0.75 meters, and goes back. The spring constant is 520 N/m, the block's mass is 12 kg, and the ramp is inclined at 30°. The horizontal part of the sliding is frictionless. If point A is 2 meters above the floor, (a) what is the block's speed at the bottom of the ramp? (b) How much work does friction do while the block descends the ramp? (c) After rebounding, the block starts back up the ramp. What is its speed at the bottom, heading up? (d) How far does it move back up the ramp? (Give a vertical distance.)
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Homework Equations


Wnonconservative forces = Change in KE + Change in PE

The Attempt at a Solution


for a.
in the equation Wnon = KE2 - KE1 + PE2 - PE1
where the initial is at the top of the ramp and the final is the point at which the spring is at its maximum compression
is PE2 = 1/2kx2? I think that should be the only component of PE2, I just wasn't sure. It gave a reasonable answer once I solved for everything, it just made me a bit nervous to have the only final potential energy of the box be that of the spring.

for c.
now Wnon = 0 so
Ui + Ki = Uf + Kf
where the initial is the point at which the spring is at its maximum compression and the final is the point at which the box begins heading up the ramp.
I was confused as to what Uf should be. It's mgy, but I'm not sure what to use for y. The box is beginning to head up the ramp but I'm unclear on whether it actually has an elevation at that point.
 

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For the part while the block is sliding down/up the ramp, you need to take friction into account.

Are you given a coefficient of friction?
 
No, but I solved for it. I did in part a and b, but in part c it said the horizontal bit was frictionless.
 
Ok, your work for a) looked like you had neglected friction.

In that case, when the box is just about to head up the ramp, its energy will be entirely in the form of kinetic energy.
 

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