How Does Temperature Affect Particle Density and Expansion in the Universe?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between temperature, particle density, and expansion in the universe, particularly in the context of the early universe. Participants explore theoretical derivations and assumptions related to particle densities as temperature varies, addressing both mathematical relationships and physical implications.

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  • One participant presents a mathematical relationship for particle number density, ##n\propto T^{3/2}\exp[{-(m-\mu)/T}]## for ##m>T## and ##n\propto T^{3}## for ##T>m##, and questions if a similar derivation exists for the first equation using ##n\propto a^{-3}##.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the initial post, indicating a need for elaboration on the derivations presented.
  • A later reply suggests that the discussion pertains to particle densities in the early universe, emphasizing the scale factor ##a## and questioning the assumption that ##n\propto a^{-3}## implies no particle production or destruction.
  • Further, it is argued that if ##n\propto a^{-3}## assumes no pair production, then this assumption cannot be applied when ##m>T##, as pair production occurs at that time.

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Participants express differing views on the assumptions underlying the derivations of particle density in relation to temperature, particularly regarding the implications of pair production and the validity of using the scale factor in their calculations. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

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Participants highlight limitations in the assumptions made regarding particle production and destruction, particularly in the context of the early universe and the conditions under which the relationships are derived.

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For ##m>T## we can write
$$n\propto T^{3/2}\exp[{-(m-\mu)/T}].\tag{2}$$

For ##T>m## we can write ##n\propto T^{3}## where ##n## is number density of particles with mass m. We can derive this relationship by using ##n\propto a^{-3}## and we also know that ##a\propto T^{-1}##.

Is there a similar derivation for the first equation by using ##n\propto a^{-3}##
 
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Can you elaborate?
 
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I'm guessing the question is about particle densities in the early universe? Then a is the scale factor.
Arman777 said:
For ##T>m## we can write ##n\propto T^{-3}## where ##n## is number density of particles with mass m. We can derive this relationship by using ##n\propto a^{-3}## and we also know that ##a\propto T^{-1}##.
Shouldn't this be ##n\propto T^{3}##? ##n\propto a^{-3}## assumes no particles can be produced or destroyed. Is that really an assumption you want to make - and if you do so, why don't you make it for m>T?
 
mfb said:
I'm guessing the question is about particle densities in the early universe? Then a is the scale factor.Shouldn't this be ##n\propto T^{3}##? ##n\propto a^{-3}## assumes no particles can be produced or destroyed. Is that really an assumption you want to make - and if you do so, why don't you make it for m>T?
If ##n\propto a^{-3}## assumes no pair production then we cannot say that at ##m>T##, since at that time there are pair-production, So we cannot derive it by using ##n\propto a^{-3}##.
 

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