How Does the 3D Harmonic Oscillator Model Extend from 1D Solutions?

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The discussion revolves around the extension of the 1D harmonic oscillator solutions to a 3D potential for a particle of mass m. The potential is defined in a specific region and is infinite elsewhere, prompting an exploration of energy levels and wave functions in three dimensions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to combine known solutions from 1D harmonic oscillators and infinite potential wells to derive a 3D solution using separation of variables. Questions arise regarding the necessity of a specific assumption about the energy levels and how it affects the identification of the ground and first excited states.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide feedback on the original poster's approach, confirming its correctness with minor adjustments. The conversation has shifted towards understanding the implications of the assumption regarding energy levels, with participants exploring how different values of \hbar\omega influence the identification of quantum states.

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There is a specific assumption under discussion regarding the relationship between \hbar\omega and the energy levels, which influences the identification of the first excited state. The original poster expresses confusion about the necessity of this assumption, indicating a potential gap in understanding the implications of energy ordering in quantum states.

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Homework Statement



Consider a particle of mass [itex]m[/itex] moving in a 3D potential

[tex]V(\vec{r}) = 1/2m\omega^2z^2,~0<x<a,~0<y<a[/tex].

[tex]V(\vec{r}) = \inf[/tex], elsewhere.

2. The attempt at a solution

Given that I know the solutions already for a 1D harmonic oscillator and 1D infinite potential well I'm going to combine them [itex]E_x + E_y + E_z = E[/itex], and [itex]\psi=\psi(z)\psi(x)\psi(y)[/itex] as for separation of variables of 3D Schrödinger.

Therefore,

[tex]E = (n_z+1/2)\hbar\omega + \frac{\pi^2\hbar^2}{2ma^2}(n_x^2+n_y^2)[/tex]

[tex]\psi=\left(\frac{m\omega}{\pi\hbar}\right)^{1/4}\frac{1}{\sqrt{2^{n_z}n_z!}}H_{n_z}(\zeta)e^{-\zeta^2/2}\sqrt{\frac{2}{a}}\sin\left(\frac{n_x\pi}{a}x\right)\sqrt{\frac{2}{a}}\sin\left(\frac{n_y\pi}{a}y\right)[/tex]

where [itex]H[/itex] are the Hermite polynomials and [tex]\zeta=\sqrt{m\omega/\hbar}z[/tex].

Is this a correct approach? I couldn't see how going all through the separation of variables for 3D Schrödinger would give me a different answer.
 
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You are correct (modulo some minor typos in your expression for psi).
 
I believe I fixed the typo. Did I miss anything?

My OP was because the second part asks: Assuming [tex]\hbar\omega>3\pi^2\hbar^2/(2ma^2)[/tex] find the energies of the ground state and the first excited state, labeling by each state by its three quantum numbers.

And I don't see why this assumption needs to be made. Wouldn't I just sub into [itex]E[/itex],

[tex](n_x, n_y, n_z) = (1, 1, 0)[/tex] for the ground state and,

[tex](n_x, n_y, n_z) = (1, 1, 1)[/tex] for the first excited state?
 
For the ground state, the assumption makes no difference. However, it has an effect for the first excited state.

The first excited state is defined as the state that is second lowest in energy.

If [tex]\hbar \omega[/tex] were to be very small, [tex](n_x, n_y, n_z) = (1, 1, 1)[/tex] would be second lowest in energy, and hence the first excited state.
However, if [tex]\hbar \omega[/tex] were to be very large, it can be possible for [tex](n_x, n_y, n_z) = (2, 1, 0)[/tex] to be lower in energy than [tex](n_x, n_y, n_z) = (1, 1, 1)[/tex] instead.
 
Thanks, this makes sense now. I was too caught up thinking it had something to do with keeping the energy positive/negative.
 
cscott said:
I believe I fixed the typo. Did I miss anything?
Nope! It all looks correct now.
 

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