How does the angle of the plate affect the fraction of liquid that flows up?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of the angle of an inclined plate on the fraction of liquid that flows up after being struck by a horizontal water jet. Participants explore the application of mass and momentum balances, while considering the neglect of gravity and frictional forces in the analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a set of equations based on force balances in the x and y directions, questioning the assumptions made about the net forces acting on the system.
  • Another participant challenges the neglect of gravity, suggesting that the experimental setup may not align with the assumptions if gravity is indeed negligible.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that gravity can be neglected if its effect on energy changes is small compared to other forces, reiterating the absence of shear forces due to friction.
  • One participant proposes a conceptual approach by suggesting a rotation of the diagram to align the axes with the plate, which may simplify the understanding of the forces involved.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of the momentum equation when the velocity of the jet is considered to be zero after striking the plate, leading to a clearer formulation of the equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions regarding gravity and friction, indicating that there is no consensus on these points. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these assumptions on the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of neglecting gravity and friction, and there are varying interpretations of how these factors influence the flow dynamics. The mathematical steps and relationships between the variables are still under discussion.

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Homework Statement


A horizontal water jet produces a wide sheet of parallel-flowing liquid that strikes an inclined plate and then divides, with a fraction of the liquid flowing up the plate and the remainder flowing down the plate. The figure shows a section of the flow. All surfaces of the liquid are exposed to atmospheric pressure and both the gravity forces and frictional losses in the flow may be neglected.
Shear stress between the plate surface and the liquid may be neglected in comparison with pressure forces there and, therefore, the force between the plate and the liquid is perpendicular to the plate surface with zero component tangent to the plate surface.

With these facts, use mass and momentum balances to:

a) Determine the relation between the fraction of the liquid that travels up along the plate and the angle θ.

Homework Equations


Bernoulli's equation { u1=u2=u3}
Conservation of mass {m1=m2+m3
Conservation of momentum {um1=um2+um3

The Attempt at a Solution


Fx:
um2cos(θ)-um3cos(-θ)-um1=0
Fy:
um2sin(θ)-um3sin(-θ)=0

m2=-m3--> can not be true
 

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Fx:
um2cos(θ)-um3cos(-θ)-um1=0
Fy:
um2sin(θ)-um3sin(-θ)=0

Are you sure that ƩFx and ƩFy equal 0.
There is a plate that the jet strikes.
 
Fx:
um2cos(θ)-um3cos(-θ)-um1=Fx
[(m2+m3)cos(θ)-m1]u=Fx
[m1cos(θ)-m1]u=Fx
[cos(θ)-1]m1u=Fx
Fy:
um2sin(θ)-um3sin(-θ)=Fy
 
Gravity is neglected? So the image is looking down on the experiment?
 
Not necessarily.
Gravity can be neglected if the change in energy of the water stream due to pgh is small in comparison to other energy changes. Note also that frictional forces have been neglected also so there is no shear force on the plate.
 
Alpine Steer
To make this problem conceptually more understandable, you could rotate the picture so that the plane of the plate is either vertical or horizontal - in other words line up your axis parallel and perpendicular to the plate.

Making the axis vertical:
In that case, the water jet approaches the plate at an angle θ measured from the plate.
Since friction is neglected the plate will experience a reaction force of F only in the x-direction.
Your equations are set up in a similar manner as before but in this case there is no reaction parallel to the plate.

And since the velocity of the jet after it hits the plate is zero your momentum equationlooks much neater.

ie F = \rhoQ ( initial velocity - final velocity )
or Fx = \rhoQ( u1x - u2x ) , where u2x = 0
and u1x = Vcos(θ) or sin θ depending whether you measure the angle from the plate or the normal to the plate.
 

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