How Does the Change of Coordinate Matrix Transform an Ellipse Equation?

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of an ellipse equation through a change of coordinate matrix. Participants explore the mathematical representation of this transformation, the implications of different bases, and the geometric interpretation of the change of variables. The scope includes technical explanations and mathematical reasoning related to linear algebra and geometry.

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  • One participant presents a transformation of the ellipse equation 2x^2 - 4xy + 5y^2 = 1 into a simpler form (x')^2 + 6(y')^2 = 1 using a specific change of variables.
  • Questions arise regarding the notation [I]BB' and its representation, with participants seeking clarification on the meaning and implications of this notation.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of a symmetric matrix S associated with the quadratic form of the ellipse and discusses the role of eigenvalues and eigenvectors in the transformation process.
  • There is uncertainty about the values of the basis B and how they relate to the transformation, with requests for clarification on the nature of the basis and the vector [v]_B.
  • Participants express confusion over the phrase "a similar result is true" and seek further explanation on its meaning in the context of the discussion.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the notation and concepts involved in the transformation. There is no consensus on the interpretation of certain terms and representations, indicating that multiple competing views and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

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Limitations include unclear definitions of the bases involved, the notation used, and the specific values of the vectors being discussed. The discussion also highlights unresolved questions about the implications of the transformation and the properties of the associated matrices.

jeff1evesque
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In geometry the change of variable,

[tex]x = (2 / sqrt(5))x' - (1 / sqrt(5))y'[/tex] (#1)
[tex]y = (1 / sqrt(5))x' + (2 / sqrt(5))y'[/tex] (#2)
can be used to transform the equation [tex]2x^2 - 4xy + 5y^2 = 1[/tex] into the simpler equation [tex](x')^2 + 6(y')^2 = 1[/tex], in which form it is easily seen to be the equation of an ellipse.

[tex]B and B'[/tex] are the standard ordered basis and new rotated basis respectively

My question:
Why is BB' have such a representation with B and B'? Why wouldn't it be B'B?
 
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jeff1evesque said:
Why is BB' have such a representation with B and B'? Why wouldn't it be B'B?


Can you try to state your question differently? I was following what you wrote up to that point, but I'm not familiar with the notation you're using at the end.
 
Cantab Morgan said:
Can you try to state your question differently? I was following what you wrote up to that point, but I'm not familiar with the notation you're using at the end.

So in this particular example,
B' = { 1/sqrt(5)(2, 1), 1/sqrt(5)(-1, 2) }
Question: what about the basis B, what is it's values?

Geometrically the change of variable is (x,y) --> (x',y') is a change in the way that the position of a point P in the plane.

The change of variable is actually a change from [tex][P]_B = (x, y)[/tex], the coordinate vector of the point P relative to the ordered basis B = {e1, e2}, to [tex][P]_B' = (x', y')[/tex], the coordinate vector of P relative to the new rotated basis B'.

Notice also that the matrix
| 2 -1 |​
Q = 1/sqrt(5) | 1 2 |

equals [tex]<i>^B_B'</i>[/tex], where I denotes the identity transformation on [tex]R^2[/tex]. Thus [tex][v]_B = Q[v]_B_'[/tex] for all v in [tex]R^2[/tex]. A similar result is true in general.

Two questions for the last two sentences from above:
1.) What exactly is [v]_B? What are the values for this vector, how is it obtained?
2.) What do they mean by a similar result is true?


thanks,


JL
 
jeff1evesque said:
[tex]<i>^B_B'</i>[/tex]


Sorry, I still don't know what that notation means.

But here's what I see is happening. The ellipse [tex]2x^2 -4xy + 5y^2 = 1[/tex] represents a quadratic form, meaning a particular inner product on R^2. Imagine that there is a symmetric matrix S with positive eigenvalues...

[tex] S = \left( \begin{array}{cc} 2 & -2 \\ -2 & 5 \end{array} \right)[/tex]

Then we're looking at the set of all points [tex]v = \left( \begin{array}{c} x \\ y \end{array} \right)[/tex] satisfying [tex]Sv \cdot v = 1[/tex]. These form an ellipse. By finding the eigenvectors of that matrix S, and normalizing them, we assemble your rotation matrix Q. Q rotates the plane. Consider its transpose and see that [tex]v' = Q^Tv[/tex], and we get the ellipse [tex]x'^2 +6y'^2 = 1[/tex]. Note that these coefficients 1 and 6 are the eigenvalues of S, and they represent the maximum and minimum values of the ellipse's distance from the origin.

So, what is v? This question I understand. What you are calling [tex]v_B[/tex]. Well, it can really be any point in the plane that you transform by [tex]Q^T[/tex], but in our case we can limit it to those points in the plane on the ellipse. That is, all points for which [tex]Sv \cdot v = 1[/tex].

I don't understand your question about the values of the basis B. You wrote down the basis B.

Like you, I also don't know what they mean by "a similar result is true".
 

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