How Does the Dirac Delta Function Apply to Trigonometric Integrals?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Dirac delta function in evaluating a specific integral involving trigonometric functions. The integral in question is ##\int_{0}^{\pi}[\delta(cos\theta-1)+ \delta(cos\theta+1)]sin\theta d\theta##, which requires understanding the behavior of the delta function at certain points.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the substitution of variables and the implications of the Dirac delta function in the context of the integral. Questions arise about the value of the integral at specific points and the nature of the delta function's contribution to the integral.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the integral's value, with some participants suggesting that the result could be 2, while others question this assumption and propose that it might be undefined or equal to 1. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of the delta function's properties and its integration over specified limits.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference a problem from Jackson's Electrodynamics to support their claims about the integral's value, indicating that external resources are influencing their reasoning. There is also mention of imposed homework rules regarding the evaluation of the delta function within the integral.

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Homework Statement


hi
i have to find the result of
##\int_{0}^{\pi}[\delta(cos\theta-1)+ \delta(cos\theta+1)]sin\theta d\theta##

Homework Equations


i know from Dirac Delta Function that
##\int \delta(x-a)dx=1##
if the region includes x=a and zero otherwise

The Attempt at a Solution


first i make the substitution
let ##\cos\theta=x##
then ##\sin\theta d\theta=-dx##
at ##\theta=0 \rightarrow x=1##
at ##\theta=\pi \rightarrow x=-1##

##\int_{1}^{-1}[\delta(x-1)+ \delta(x+1)](-dx)##

##\int_{-1}^{1}[\delta(x-1)+ \delta(x+1)](dx)##

##\int_{-1}^{1}\delta(x-1)dx+ \int_{-1}^{1}\delta(x+1)(dx)##

so the first term is equal one but what about the second term. I know that the result must be 2
 
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In ##\delta(x-a) = \delta(x+1)##, what is the value of ##a##?
 
DrClaude said:
In ##\delta(x-a) = \delta(x+1)##, what is the value of ##a##?
In L.H.S
X must be equal a. Else dirac delta will be zero.
R.H.S
X=-1
Or a=-1
Maybe I didn't understand your question.
 
Pual Black said:
a=-1
Correct. So what is the value of the corresponding integral?
 
Pual Black said:
##\int_{-1}^{1}\delta(x-1)dx+ \int_{-1}^{1}\delta(x+1)(dx)##

so the first term is equal one

Why? I think that the first term is undefined. Something strange is happening at ##x = 1##, so write it as the limit,
$$\int_{-1}^{1} \delta \left( x -1 \right) dx = \lim_{ a \to 1} \int_{-1}^{a} \delta \left( x -1 \right) dx.$$
This two-sided limit, however, does not exist, because
$$\lim_{ a \to 1^-} \int_{-1}^{a} \delta \left( x -1 \right) dx = 0,$$
and
$$\lim_{ a \to 1^+} \int_{-1}^{a} \delta \left( x -1 \right) dx = 1.$$
In the first one-sided limit, ##x = 1## is not in the region of integration, while in the second one-sided limit, ##x = 1## is in the region of integration. Since the two one-sided limits are not equal, the two-sided limit does not exist.

I suppose that you mean the second one-sided limit, i.e., that
$$\int_{-1}^{1} \delta \left( x -1 \right) dx = \lim_{ a \to 1^+} \int_{-1}^{a} \delta \left( x -1 \right) dx.$$
 
DrClaude said:
Correct. So what is the value of the corresponding integral?
Since a=-1 is in the range of integral. The integral is equal one?
 
Pual Black said:

Homework Statement


hi
i have to find the result of
##\int_{0}^{\pi}[\delta(cos\theta-1)+ \delta(cos\theta+1)]sin\theta d\theta##

Homework Equations


i know from Dirac Delta Function that
##\int \delta(x-a)dx=1##
if the region includes x=a and zero otherwise

The Attempt at a Solution


first i make the substitution
let ##\cos\theta=x##
then ##\sin\theta d\theta=-dx##
at ##\theta=0 \rightarrow x=1##
at ##\theta=\pi \rightarrow x=-1##

##\int_{1}^{-1}[\delta(x-1)+ \delta(x+1)](-dx)##

##\int_{-1}^{1}[\delta(x-1)+ \delta(x+1)](dx)##

##\int_{-1}^{1}\delta(x-1)dx+ \int_{-1}^{1}\delta(x+1)(dx)##

so the first term is equal one but what about the second term. I know that the result must be 2

How do you know the result must be 2? You are integrating through only half of a ##\delta## function. Some people would say that the result is not defined at all, others would say the final result should be 1 (not the 2 that you give). We could also argue that for ##a > -1## we have ##\int_{-1}^a \delta(x+1) \, dx = 0.15865## or ##= 0.84134## (for both of which there exist perfectly good arguments/justifications). However, I would personally take ##\int_{-1}^a \delta(x+1) \, dx = 1/2##, for more-or-less good reasons.
 
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Ray Vickson said:
How do you know the result must be 2? You are integrating through only half of a ##\delta## function. Some people would say that the result is not defined at all, others would say the final result should be 1 (not the 2 that you give). We could also argue that for ##a > -1## we have ##\int_{-1}^a \delta(x+1) \, dx = 0.15865## or ##= 0.84134## (for both of which there exist perfectly good arguments/justifications). However, I would personally take ##\int_{-1}^a \delta(x+1) \, dx = 1##, for more-or-less good reasons.

The reason why i think the result is 2 because of a problem in Jackson Electrodynamic.
I have now uploaded a pdf file and at page 1 you can see that the integral of dirac delta should be 2.
 

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