How Does the Electric Field of a Quadrupole Decrease with Distance?

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The discussion revolves around the electric field of a quadrupole configuration, specifically how it behaves at distances significantly greater than the separation of the charges. The original poster presents a problem involving the calculation of the electric field for a quadrupole arrangement and seeks to understand the conditions under which the field decreases with distance.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to simplify a complex expression for the electric field but encounters difficulties, leading to confusion about the behavior of the field as distance increases. Some participants suggest using the binomial approximation to aid in simplification, while others question the application of this approximation and the correctness of the expressions involved.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various insights and methods for simplification. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the algebraic manipulation required to arrive at the expected result, and some participants provide alternative perspectives on how to approach the problem without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of specific assumptions, such as letting certain parameters approach zero while keeping others fixed, which are critical to the discussion but not fully resolved. The original poster's confusion about the simplification process highlights the complexity of the problem.

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Homework Statement


"An electric quadrupole consists of two oppositely charged dipoles in close proximity. (a) Calculate the field of the quadrupole shown in the diagram for points to the right of x = a, and (b) show that for x>>a the quadrupole field falls off as
[tex]\frac{1}{x^4}[/tex]"

---------(+q)-----(-2q)-----(+q)----------

the left charge is at position x = -a, the middle is at x = 0, and the right is at x = a.

Homework Equations


[tex]\vec{E}(P)=\sum{\frac{kq}{r^2} \hat{r}}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



i found the charge to be this convoluted mess, but i don't see any ways of simplifying it.
[tex]\frac{kq}{(x-a)^2} \hat{i} - \frac{2kq}{x^2} \hat{i} + \frac{kq}{(x+a)^2} \hat{i}[/tex]

when i combined the fractions i got something even more horrifying.
[tex]kq \left[ \frac{x^2(x+a)^2 - 2(x+a)^2(x-a)^2+x^2(x-a)^2} {x^2(x-a)^2(x+a)^2} \right][/tex]

the way i understand it, when you show that something "falls off" you negate the a as x becomes very big, which makes sense... the a is very small and therefore pretty much negligible. however, when i did that and simplified, i got this:
[tex]\frac{0}{x^6}[/tex]

where did i go wrong?
 
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Use the binomial approximation, and learn to love it:

(1+b)^-2 ~= 1 - 2b + 3b^2 for b<<1

Start with your first expression...forget combining fractions. Factor an x^2 out of all the denominators to get terms like the one I just wrote. Apply the approximation and collect like terms. You'll notice that most terms will cancel and what you will be left with is the desired x^-6 dependence.
 
This is a very old thread, but it's the exact same problem I'm working on.

How does one apply the binomial approximation in this case? And is there a typo in the approximation that ChaoticOrder wrote down?

I am at the very same equation mentioned above but do not know how to simplify it into something usable. The answer should be:

[tex]\frac{3Q}{4\pi\epsilon_0 r^4}[/tex] where [tex]Q=2aq^2[/tex]

Any help please?
 
I think you can get out of it with a mix of the 2 posts above...

Of course (at least i hope so, since it's timestamp is 2007) this is no longer useful to OP, but I'm giving some elements for the community (this very thread pops out in 1st page of a famous web search engine for 'electric quadrupole field')

The x^6 term IS zero. This is clear from using a=0 in the equation. What you have to do in order to solve the problem is to factorize by Q = 2qa² (*not* 2aq²) and let a/x -> 0 afterwards only (letting Q be fixed, as it is the electric quadrupole moment ; alternatively you might say, letting 'a' stay a fixed parameter and increasing x). You'll end up with a ~Q/x^4 term as above post suggests.
 
If you just do simple algebra, and use [itex](x+a)(x-a)=x^2-a^2[/itex] on the original poster's "more horrifying expression," a lot of terms cancel and you are left with:

[itex]E=2kqa^2\frac{3x^2-a^2}{x^2(x^2-a^2)^2}[/itex]

This is still exact, no approximations. As [itex]x\rightarrow\infty[/itex]:

[itex]E=2kqa^2\frac{3}{x^4}[/itex]

which is the expected result.

(Dimensional analysis shows Exitwound's expression for [itex]Q[/itex] should be [itex]Q=2qa^2[/itex], not [itex]Q=2q^2a[/itex]).
 

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